Yep @allyjay farting in a hurricane pretty much describes it. I just can't stand the thought of some smug bureaucrats being able to say "We have never had any community feedback about that" I want to be an annoying old woman; I've worked hard to get to this stage of my life and I'm gunna take advantage of it!
The rose count has blown out to 36. I don't know how that happened, they must have been breeding while I wasn't watching and I'm now scared of all of them. it's like being surrounded by Triffids. Oh well, it just means another day hobbling around with the secateurs. The mess in phenomenal and I've managed to spear the top of my head on a really savage climber. Claret! I'll blame trying to do all this with welding gloves on to avoid the dreaded rose thorn stabbing thing that leads to 7days IV antibiotics. If I don't sleep tonight it wont be because I've slept in then lay on the couch!
That's happened in the past @sister You can, but it's not my preferred option. A friend pruned my roses for me a couple of years ago and I nearly wept when I saw what she had done. It's taken a long time for me to get them back to how I like them--though I don't know WTF I was thinking when I did them last year. Not much, it would appear.