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arpie
7 years agoMember
Topical Cream use on sore hands/thumbs from Letrozole/Tamoxifen/Exemestane
Hi guys
As with many of you - i've had extremely sore hands (and thumbs in particular) since starting Letrozole and then changing to Exemestane 6 months ago. Initially, the pain was manageable - but just now, I can't even use tongs to put food onto a plate! It is quite debilitating.
It is now 24/7 pain and become worse in the last 2 weeks. I am aware of whenever I awake during the night - it is a continual pain/ache/numbness ..... and worst of all, it is now affecting my ukulele playing & even my fishing! :( My fingers feel like fat sausages (swollen) and now don't bend well and are not good at holding things - I can't form a fist anymore! :(
SO ..... when in NZ a few years back, I grabbed some Sports Liniment Cream developed by one of NZ's best Sport's Injury Specialist, caller Percutane! It is available in Aussie at Amcal Chemists, I believe. It is similar to Voltaren.
I put some over my whole hands/fingers this morning and am already feeling the results - I've rubbed my nose & my lips & they are burning like hell!! So if it gets thru my skin & attacks the pain areas like it has there already ..... I am hoping it will work wonders!!
Some info on it below (I don't have any affiliation with the product - but have used it previously for shoulder pain & it worked.)
I'll just have to be careful when I go to the loo!!
What do you use for the relief of hand pain (in particular)? Does it work for you??
As with many of you - i've had extremely sore hands (and thumbs in particular) since starting Letrozole and then changing to Exemestane 6 months ago. Initially, the pain was manageable - but just now, I can't even use tongs to put food onto a plate! It is quite debilitating.
It is now 24/7 pain and become worse in the last 2 weeks. I am aware of whenever I awake during the night - it is a continual pain/ache/numbness ..... and worst of all, it is now affecting my ukulele playing & even my fishing! :( My fingers feel like fat sausages (swollen) and now don't bend well and are not good at holding things - I can't form a fist anymore! :(
SO ..... when in NZ a few years back, I grabbed some Sports Liniment Cream developed by one of NZ's best Sport's Injury Specialist, caller Percutane! It is available in Aussie at Amcal Chemists, I believe. It is similar to Voltaren.
I put some over my whole hands/fingers this morning and am already feeling the results - I've rubbed my nose & my lips & they are burning like hell!! So if it gets thru my skin & attacks the pain areas like it has there already ..... I am hoping it will work wonders!!
Some info on it below (I don't have any affiliation with the product - but have used it previously for shoulder pain & it worked.)
I'll just have to be careful when I go to the loo!!
What do you use for the relief of hand pain (in particular)? Does it work for you??
How Does Percutane Pain Relief Cream Work?
Percutane Pain Relief Cream contains four key ingredients that together help soothe pain and discomfort in muscles and joints

Capsaicin (Capsicum fruit oleoresin) is a substance derived from the seeds and membranes of certain plants that belong to the nightshade family, such as chillies and capsicum.11,12 It is used, among other things, to help relieve muscle and arthritic pain.11 It is believed that capsaicin reduces pain by temporarily reducing levels of the neurotransmitter, substance P, which relays pain signals to the brain.12-14
Neurotransmitters are chemicals that help communicate information between nerve cells. There are numerous clinical trials that have been performed that show Capsaicin is very effective at providing pain relief.

Arnica: Arnica (Arnica montana) is a herb that has been used for medicinal purposes since the 1500s. The fresh or dried flower heads are used in creams to soothe muscle aches, reduce inflammation, and heal wounds.1 The anti-inflammatory effects of arnica are thought to be due to one of the compounds it contains.2 In a clinical study, arnica was shown to improve pain, stiffness, and function in people with osteoarthritis of the knee.3 Another study showed that arnica was as effective as ibuprofen in reducing pain and increasing function in patients with osteoarthritis of the hand.4

Burdock: Burdock (Arctium lappa) is a member of the daisy family and has been used for centuries to treat a range of ailments.8 The seeds of the plant contain compounds that have anti-inflammatory effects.9 Burdock is also believed to be useful in treating a number of conditions including arthritis and skin problems.10

Aloe vera: The aloe vera plant has been used for thousands of years to treat a number of conditions.5 These include wound healing and inflammation.6 Aloe gel contains substances known as glycoproteins and polysaccharides. Glycoproteins speed the healing process by stopping pain and inflammation, while polysaccharides stimulate skin growth and repair.5
The SCIENCE behind Percutane:
How do these ingredients help Arthritis Sufferers?
Substance P is involved in the development of and inflammation associated with arthritis.14 Studies have shown that topical capsaicin is effective in reducing pain in osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis sufferers. In one study, capsaicin substantially reduced tenderness and pain in people with painful osteoarthritis of the hand.15 In another study, after 4 weeks of application, capsaicin reduced pain in people with osteoarthritis of the knee by 57% and in people with rheumatoid arthritis by 33%.14
How do these ingredients help neuralgia and Post Herpetic Neuralgia (PHN) sufferers?
Percutane gives relief of nerve pain/mild neuralgia and the pain of shingles rash and PHN by topical application (to be used only on unbroken skin). It provides temporary relief of nerve pain/ mild neuralgia by inhibiting Substance P, which transmits pain signals to the brain.
Substance P is thought to contribute to certain types of skin pain. Because this pain is similar to that associated with PHN, researchers have investigated whether capsaicin is effective in treating PHN.13
One study looked at people who had had PHN pain for 6 months or longer and found that after 6 weeks of application of topical capsaicin, pain and the ability to function were significantly improved. In addition, the improvements continued in 86% of people who kept applying capsaicin for up to 2 years.12 In another study, significantly more people with PHN treated with capsaicin experienced relief from pain compared with those who used a placebo cream. After 6 weeks, almost 80% of people experienced some relief from their pain.13
How do these ingredients help Fibromyalgia sufferers?
Fibromyalgia is a condition associated with chronic musculoskeletal pain. The majority of people affected are young women in their 20s’ or 30s’. It’s not known what causes the pain, but one theory suggests that substance P may be involved.16 In one study, people with fibromyalgia who applied capsaicin for 4 weeks on tender points reported less tenderness than those who applied a placebo cream. After 2 weeks, people who applied capsaicin to their hands had a significant improvement in grip strength.16
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- FlaneuseMember@arpie - yes to all that, with the kitchen tasks. I use heaps of pepper in everything and have had to reinvent a method of grinding. Ring-pull cans !
I made beetroot falafels today to take to my youngest grandson's 2nd birthday tomorrow. Had to be creative with all tasks - peeling the beetroot was painful. No such thing as finely chopping or grating anything any more. The processor has to do everything. Ah well. I'm still breathing. For now.
:| - arpieMemberYes, @Flaneuse - the hardest part I find is my hands. But they are essential to both my passionate hobbies - uke playing & kayak fishing.
Since starting Hormone Tabs/AIs 6 months ago - my left hand in particular - when I try & clench it - looks as if I am holding an invisible apple - I am unable to 'close it' until late in the afternoon. I've had to reinvent a way pretty well to hold anything. I also have a few implements that have previously worked for me for opening jars etc!!
Now, even holding a cup of tea/coffee is difficult! Grinding pepper is difficult - I've had to reinvent how to do that, using the palm of my hand, not the fingers/thumb. grrrr Opening those 'pull tab' groceries (like yoghurt, puree apple tubs and numerous other grocery items that come 'covered'.) I now have to use a knife to slice open the top, as I am unable to pull it off. There is no strength in either hand at all.
I find it hard to believe that any GP & BC health professional does not know & understand the side effects that these tablets cause. :( - FlaneuseMember@arpie Yep, same here. Interesting that you've had the same experience. Can't even form half a fist. Can't grip things. Can't open things. It wasn't like that before - except for the occasional really tight lid and I had a device for that. Now I can't even grip the device.
The annoying thing about my knee was that in spite of my osteoarthritis I was so active - always a fast walker and a long-distance trekker. I did my left knee when I slipped while trekking on an icy path at the age of 62.
The swelling in my right hand today is bad. And throbbing in the palm-side of my joints.
Actually I'm quite annoyed now that I find out it's likely due to Letrozole. Not annoyed that it was prescribed for me or that I wasn't warned this could happen. But annoyed that when I mentioned it on Mon to the oncologist she didn't acknowledge that it is a "thing" and I'm so over being annoyed with my useless GP. After about 28 years, the only good thing about him is that he'll prescribe anything I ask for. - arpieMemberGosh, you've been thru the wars, @Flaneuse :( My hips, knees, shoulders & hands are my main arthritis areas - tho a fall some years ago injured my spine as well & that flares now & then.
I've been on Letrozole and Exemestane - both have exacerbated my previous arthritis conditions big time - Letrozole in 6 weeks & Exemestane in 6 months.
From extreme pain, to not being able to form a fist (i.e. hold things!) to 'trigger finger & thumb' .... all these are 'new' to my previous arthritis condition. The only thing that has changed that may have caused it, are the hormone tablets.
I fear your GP needs more education, @Flaneuse - so keep telling him! ...... There are tens of thousands (if not millions) of women complaining of these side effects ..... when will we be taken more seriously & the researchers start looking for a solution? They reckon they can 'fix it' for men with the same condition - why not women! grrrrr - FlaneuseMemberMy lymphoedema physio said Letrozole makes arthritis worse. My GP said no, it makes the PAIN of arthritis worse. Have been doing some googling about AIs and arthritis. Apparently significant research in the UK and US about AI-induced rheumatoid arthritis - and the fact that it doesn't go away after patients stopped taking the AI. I'm going to be asking more questions of my GP and my oncologist (when I see her again in May). Obviously GP is not aware of this research, but that doesn't surprise me. He told me a couple of months ago that he's "learned so much" from me. Clearly he's not one of those doctors who spend their evenings reading research abstracts. Given the way things have gone in the past week, I'm absolutely convinced that what I have in my hands now is rheumatoid arthritis. When they did the top-to-toe bone scan before surgery, they said "arthritis" but not what type - in hands, feet, knees, lower spine. I already had osteoarthritis in my knees. Replacement of left knee three years ago was only marginally successful and I still have pain, which has been worse in recent months.
- iserbrownMemberOh damn! You were doing so well! Hope it settles soon!
Take care - DeanneMember@iserbrown I’ve been to the GP who thought it was a tendon injury. Put me in a support bandage and told me to take nurofen and rest it. No improvement.
Then went to osteopath who thought it was trigger thumb but then changed it to just a bit of arthritis. No improvement.
Then saw the oncologist who seemed pretty sure it was tendon related from the Letrozole. I had some other tendon issues start in my heel and knee in the last 6 months also. The knee got better when I stopped Letrozole for a month last year. She said that she has seen some weird tendon type issues from Letrozole.
Now I am off Letrozole, trying acupuncture (they are confident they can fix it) and hoping something works soon. :# - iserbrownMemberDeanne - did you have an injury as I can recall reading how you were coping well on Femara (letrozole)?
- DeanneMemberI’ve been off Letrozole for 16 days now. My general hand puffiness and stiffness has gone but the thumb is not improving yet. I was on Letrozole for over 3 years with just a general sort of stiffness in the fingers and hand that I kept relatively pain free with Curcumin. The thumb pain and stiffness started suddenly just after Christmas. Hopefully if it is the Letrozole (which my oncologist seemed pretty sure it was) it will improve soon. :)
- iserbrownMemberI have heard that some swear by Elmore Oil - there are a few different products available,
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