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Frenchbee
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10 months ago

DCIS

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum - and any forum really - I have a horror of any sort of social media. 

But I am struggling so badly emotionally right now.

I have been diagnosed with extensive DCIS in my left breast - 60mm high grade (grade 3) with comodo necrosis - confirmed via lumpectomy surgery.  Another 5mm high grade DCIS found under the left nipple in a separate nipple delay surgery.

They have also found focal LCIS as part of the lumpectomy pathology.

I still do not have clear margins.  DCIS has been classified as ER/PR- and HER2+. 

Family history - my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer at age 44 and died at age 47.  Youngest sister diagnosed at age 42 (triple positive type) and underwent double mastectomy and chemo.  She is still thankfully NED 8-9 years later.  

I have one sister left who has no diagnosis (as yet).  My mother and all three of us daughters have been noted to have dense breast tissue.

I am 53 years old however given the extensive size of this lesion and looking back at some of the mammograms which did show mild calcifications several years ago- I expect this has been growing since my late 40's (if not earlier).  The mammogram only showed a 15mm area calcifications, so the bulk of this DCIS lesion did not ever show on imaging.

My sister underwent genetic testing at the time of her diagnosis which did not show any known genetic mutation.  However, geneticist does believe there is likely some genetic link due to the very young age of both my mother and my sister at diagnosis. I will be having genetic testing at some stage as my sister's testing was 8-9 years ago now.

Breast surgeon has now recommended mastectomy of the left breast including removal of the left nipple due to involvement in the DCIS lesion.

He has said that I could reasonably argue "both ways" with regards to my right breast (i.e. there is an argument to take both breasts given family history etc.  However, could also make an argument to keep the right breast and monitor.  So it's my decision.

I have (at this stage) decided to have a double mastectomy with Diep Flap reconstruction.  The surgery is scheduled for 10th July.  Part of my decision to go bilateral is because the diep flap is a "one chance only" surgery.

I also have already had some biopsies on the right breast (benign to date) but am aware LCIS is generally bilateral and may indicate a higher ongoing risk to the right side.

It's also a very big surgery and I do not want to have to ever face this again if possible. 

I am so so terrified of the surgery.

Here's the main thing -  I am absolutely shattered about losing my breasts.  It seems such a radical surgery for a non-life threatening diagnosis.  I am in so much mental and emotional pain and I have been having a LOT of suicidal ideation (although I don't think I would act on it - I just literally don't want to wake up most days). 

I can't bear the thought of having no feeling in my chest.  I am so worried about possible ongoing permanent nerve pain and post mastectomy pain syndrome and "iron bra" syndrome. 

My breasts are the ONLY part of my body that I actually like.  I already know that I will have massive body image issues and loss of confidence after this. I am incredibly depressed.  I am seeing a psychologist (Dr Charlotte Tottman actually - she's so wonderful).  I am trying very hard to deal with all this.

I feel like I will be so judged that is my key pain when so many others would do anything to change places with me and my diagnosis. I am so very aware of that and it's very hard to be honest about this because I feel like I should be focussing on the health part and not my physical loss.

It's not that I'm not very grateful that this was found so early and I should be able to avoid all the awful treatments (radiation/chemo etc) and even more so, that my life is not at risk like so many others.

I just can't believe I still have to lose my breasts and nipples with this very early diagnosis.  I can't believe it.

I'm also really struggling with some health professionals (including my breast surgeon and plastic surgeon) calling DCIS "pre cancer" or saying it's not "real" cancer.  I just can't bear it.  I can deal with calling this bloody thing Stage 0 breast cancer or pre-invasive cancer. 

But to hear health professionals say DCIS is not even cancer when I have to suffer such a radical lifechanging permanent surgery - it feels like such a slap in the face. 

It also makes it SO much harder to accept this recommended surgical treatment.  If it's not 'real' cancer, I'll keep my breasts thanks very much.  

Why do they do this?  I cannot understand it - if it's to keep us "calm" - I can deal without being patronised??

So sorry for the long post.  I don't know what to do with myself.
  • @Maree72

    Gosh Maree.  

    Thank you so so much for your kind message.  I am absolutely bawling just reading your beautiful comment.  It's such a relief to hear from someone else who feels the same way.  I have been feeling so isolated with my pretty intense reaction being focussed on the loss of my breasts rather than the cancer bit. 

    I've been worried that my reaction will be seen as shallow or vain - but it's not, I don't think.  For everyone else in the general public - they won't be able to tell (hopefully) when I'm in clothes.  It's about how I feel about myself, what I will see, how my body will feel, my confidence, how I feel as a woman. 

    I've always been the girl with the great boobs and laugh.  It's my whole identity.  I don't know who I will be anymore - I will have neither.  I can't imagine laughing again.

    There does seem to be a wide spectrum of how women feel about losing their breasts.  I can totally understand people who just want them taken off and the danger removed - but I am right at the other end of the spectrum. 

    I'm almost willing to compromise the recommended medical treatment to keep them - almost, but not quite.  

    I spoke to my breast surgeon again yesterday - he was really lovely about it but he said that if he put my case in front of a panel of breast surgeons, the recommendation would be unanimous about the surgery.

    It's even harder to accept when my diagnosis is "just" DCIS - it's not that I am wishing for a worse prognosis at all.  I know I'm lucky that they caught it at this stage.  Its more that the huge physical sacrifice I am being asked to make feels really out of proportion to the stage of the disease.

    Thank you also for your lovely idea about the cast - I actually already had some (tasteful) professional photographs done as a memory. Crying even typing that - it was a very emotional session with the photographer and she was very sensitive about it.

    I think I'm still in the grief phase, but I'm starting to feel anger too.  Seriously, it feels like there has been no progress since my mother's mastectomy 33 years ago with the only recommendation to amputate my breasts. 

    It just doesn't seem real. 

    God knows how I am going to make myself turn up to this surgery.  Every cell in my body wants to run.

    I can't believe you've had to face this whole thing twice.  I am out of my mind at this first situation.  I am also so shocked that you would be expected to wait 3 years for a reconstruction!!  That is appalling. Why would it not be done at the same time??  I could not manage at all. 

    We are paying for private treatment and it is SO prohibitively expensive, that is for sure. 

    What did you end up doing in your case?  Did you manage to win the fight for the second round of treatment?

    I'm so glad you have a psychologist - I have started seeing one, but unfortunately she is away for the whole month of June.  Terrible timing for me with surgery in 19 days. 

    19 days left of being a whole person with my own breasts.  It's unbearable.
  • Hi @Frenchbee,
    I'm so sorry to hear of your BC and everything you have  to face, I too am a girl who loves her own breasts, and feel that her breasts are the only thing that me feel like a woman and dear I even say it, sexy, So I truly appreciate how you are feeling, I was lucky in my very first round of this horrible disease, they 1st surgeon said no it will be a lumpectomy, I felt relived, but second time around, the new surgeon wanted to do a double mastectomy  that I fought tooth and nail against, here in QLD under the public system they don't offer us chicks a reconstruction at time of breast removals, we have to wait for up to 3 years, 

    I too am in my early 50's, I'll be 52 this coming Dec, I guess I do not have any magic words to say in loosing your breasts, but just know I feel your pain and totally get it when you say you love your breasts, cause I love mine too. I did see an FX artists (special effects artists), do a die cast mould of  her friends torso covering her breasts before she went into surgery to have her double mastectomy, as a way to remember and acknowledge her breast - the result was like those beautiful sculptures 

    here is her link
    https://www.wowfx.com.au/projects/breastcast--pre-mastectomy-2024

    (if you have any questions please feel free to get in contact with Danielle and book your session for a pre or post surgery breastcast in Melbourne.)
     I just copied this from the website on her page. I'm not to sure where you are based?


    I totally understand if this is too soon and too confrontational for you,

    But this could also be something to think about and could be a personal way of saying good bye to your breasts, "gosh even I'm now crying just typing that ::neutral:"  & the start of a healing process for you maybe? xx 

    Since my breast cancer journey, I've been seeing a phycologist from the cancer council here in Brisbane, its been a hell of a messy and angry journey, but it helps. another avenue to consider when the time is right for you.

    Thinking of you, and sending love to you as you make your way through this part of your story.
    You have found the right place to land when needing to vent, talk, or ask questions, this forum is very good at all of that :smile: 



  • @CeeCee
    Thank you so much for your kind comment.  So lovely of you to take the time.  I'm so sorry to hear about your recurrence - that must have been shocking and very hard news for you.  And that it has also spread to a lymph node - very difficult.  I guess my grief is really all around losing my breasts at the moment, as I am lucky enough to have a very good prognosis.  I really love my breasts (weird thing to say, but here we are) and have always felt they were my best (and only good) physical feature.  They are almost part of my personality - always been the girl with the big boobs and the big laugh.  Both going to be gone now.  I can't imagine ever being truly happy again in myself.  I've gone through lots of big grief/situations in my life and I totally understand that you learn to live with things.  But I think you just build more emotional muscle to carry them, rather than it actually going away.  I just don't want to carry this grief with me for the rest of my life - and I think I will.
  • @arpie 
    Thank you so much Arpie - I have already worked my way through all Dr Tottman's podcasts.  What a wonderful resource!  I can't believe I actually got in to see her - my breast care nurse recommended her.  My beautiful friendship group have organised a "meal train" for our family for 6-8 weeks post-surgery.  I am very lucky to be so well supported.  I am still working fulltime at the moment which generally keeps my mind occupied during the week.  I find the 'monsters' mostly come at night or on the weekends 
  • @Frenchbee so sorry for your diagnosis, we all know how you feel but it does get easier as you go along the journey and know what’s ahead. The fear of the unknown is what rises the anxiety levels although you have already had to deal with it with your family, all different when it’s you though.
    I was diagnosed with DCIS 5 years ago requiring surgical removal, no other treatment. In January this year I was diagnosed with a 4cm lesion in the same spot, picked up by mammogram, I would never have felt it. Mastectomy followed in March, I am currently going through Chemotherapy as cancer had spread to one lymph node. I can honestly say the Mastectomy has been the easiest part of this journey, I was absolutely beside myself prior. There was no pain at all. I chose not to have a reconstruction, I’m happy with a prosthesis. 
    I know that everyone is different. 
    I hope that everything goes well for you, we are all thinking of you.
  • @Frenchbee - terrific that you seeing Dr Charlotte Tottman ..... we have a bunch of her 'what you don't know until you do' webchats available here ... so you could listen to them 'in between visits' ..... She had a double mastectomy and chose to remain flat ... you can read her story below (pdf) and listen to her podcasts at the link below.  Click on the one that says '22 tracks' and start on No 13-22 (the first one in the first series) and listen to as many as you'd like .... her 2nd series are the ones showing 'first' - No 1-12!!
    https://soundcloud.com/search?q=charlotte tottman

    And if you would like to chat with someone in person - give our help line a call on 1800 500 258 (Mon-Fri, office hours.)

    Try & keep as busy as you can in the meantime, in the lead up to your surgery.   You could cook some meals & put them in the freezer, so it is one less thing to 'worry about' after you leave hospital - and cook up all your favourites, so that you know you'll enjoy them!  ;) 

    Also jump onto this thread that has a bit more info about the blog .... even some off-topic threads, like pets, gardens, art & craft ..... there are ticksheets down the bottom, that you can print off & 'self assess' how you are going, both emotionally and physically xx
    https://onlinenetwork.bcna.org.au/discussion/23477/a-big-welcome-to-all-new-online-network-members#latest ;

    take care & all the best. 
  • @june1952 Thank you most sincerely for your very kind reply.  It's really nerve wracking to post when you're not used to it, isn't it?  I'm so sorry you weren't given reconstructive options.  That is absolutely awful and must make things so much harder for you.  The mental and emotional part of this diagnosis is incredibly difficult (for me anyway) as I am lucky enough to not need to focus on a life-threatening diagnosis.  It's all about the permanent physical impact and loss of my breasts for me.  I do hear that women who live regionally or rurally face many more challenges with health care than those of us living in major cities.  It seems so wrong.  We do feel so lucky to live in this area - we moved here from Brisbane almost 20 years ago now.  We absolutely LOVE Melbourne - such a beautiful place to live.  The psychologist is fantastic - unfortunately she is away for a month until end June - which is terrible timing for me as the anxiety, depression etc is just mounting and mounting as the surgery gets closer.  I have applied to be accepted into that private breast reconstruction group - thank you so much for that.  Definitely looking for some reassurance around the surgery, as it is really frightening.
  • Welcome @Frenchbee to this club none of us wanted to join.  Like you, this was my first ever foray into social media and I was terrified ! 
    Like you, I also had extensive DCIS but I was rushed into a single mastectomy which was not skin sparing or nipple saving.  Where I was treated there were no breast surgeons, just a general surgeon who was no tailor ! 😏
    If you had not already done your research I would be telling you that, knowing what I know now, I would go for a double DIEP.
    You are in good hands with a psychologist and that is a big plus for you as you are obviously quite aware of your feelings etc.
    I see you live in a lovely suburb so I am feeling jealous - I am an ex-Melbourne gal and still consider myself a city girl.
    Have you joined the private choosing breast reconstruction group on here ?
    https://onlinenetwork.bcna.org.au/group/1-choosing-breast-reconstruction
    All the best and do keep in touch so we know how you are.  ❤️