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AmandaTR
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2 years ago

Navigating Treatment Options for early stage 1

Hi. I was diagnosed with early stage 1 in April. since then I have seen first surgeon for lumpectomy, successful removal of small tumor and no spread to lymph nodes, and now a Radiotherapist. I'm feeling like I am being viewed as a boob and not a person and finding it hard to get answers to my concerns regarding the treatment - my concerns re: treatment is side effects and other health implications, such as potential damage to ribs and heart. Given my cancer is small and not fast growing, my concerns are that the invasion of radiotherapy may have more impacts than gains. Are there any specialists I can talk to who can give me a more rounded viewpoint rather than just each of the specialists who obviously have a bias. Has anyone else had these concerns, or am I being ridiculous? (I honestly can't tell if I am just reacting to emotions or if I am being logical). Many thanks. All thoughts and perspectives appreciated.
  • Dear @AmandaTR

    It’s never ridiculous to want more information. It’s also worth considering that specialists will a) know their own fields well and b) are very likely to want you to have the best chance of full recovery and no recurrence. But they should be treating you as a patient, and an individual patient at that. A good oncologist should be able to discuss your concerns and provide you with some idea of the pros and minuses. I didn’t have radiotherapy (I had more extensive surgery) so I can’t help but I am sure your GP or even your surgeon may be able to recommend a broader view. My surgeon recommended my oncologist - I did check him out, found his qualifications and experience good and, most important, grew to
    like him as a person. Irrespective of how long you may be with your medical team, trusting and liking them matters. Best wishes. 
  • Hi @AmandaTR, totally agree with @Afraser. You are entitled to have answers to your questions and a good oncologist will explain their recommendation to you for a treatment. 

    While I had a medical background, I don't have the knowledge of an oncologist but I trusted mine and got on well with them. I had radium because I didn't have a mastectomy so it was important to reduce any chance of a stray cell remaining in my breast.

    I will say that a small slow growing cancer is not a reason to not have radium as even slow growing cancers can shoot out cells. Radium reduces that risk of reoccurance. It was my choice was to keep my breast and my surgeon and oncologist agreed they could treat me to reduce my reoccurance chances and recover fully. 

    Have a chat to your gp or breast care nurse. If you don't like your oncologist ask your gp to refer to to one for another opinion. 

    Radium is very accurate these days so very little risk to other areas outside the breast tissue. Not sure where you get the idea the heart and ribs could be damaged. The internet is a dangerous place and it can lead us down rabbit holes. 

    I hope you get the answers you need so you can be comfortable with your treatment decisions and have no regrets later on. Best wishes 
  • thank you for your replies. So far I have seen surgeon, radiotherapy oncologist and today medical oncologist - it seems not one of them can answer all my questions. I will reach out to the nurse to get her thoughts too - thank you.  My info re: radiotherapy side effects came direct from the radiologist. I agree internet can be dangerous but am really struggling how to be fully informed - eg. I asked the medical oncolgost today what the benefits of doing both radiotherapy and hormone therapy was, and she didn't know. She only knew the stats on hormone therapy. If anyone knows the combined stats, please do let me know. Also, how long do the benefits of radiotherapy last? (I will email the radiotherapist, I forgot to ask her)
  • Hi @AmandaTR. I have been really lucky with all but one of my treating team. It was the 1st rad oncologist that wasn’t too helpful. But the rest were really good at giving me answers and often I didn’t have to ask. I must have given them a dumb look so they would go onto explain better.  I also just went with everything as i was in ignorance and lala land 
    I wast stage 2 at first diagnosis left breast with high hormone percentages 98 and 95. So the AI was always going to happen i had to have chemo first to try shrink the tumour off my sternum the radiation was booked for after the lumpectomy/ breast conserving surgery.  The radiation was to give me the best chance of killing off any stray escaped cells around the tumour. Thing’s changed after after test results but thats a whole other chapter. 
    My oncologist has always said from the beginning that there were no guarantees but the aim was and is to give me the best fighting chance
    with the radiation because it was left side and the position of the tumour i had to do Deep breath and hold. To move the heart out of harms way. After treatment there seems to be no ill effects on the heart. So it worked that way.  With all our treatment which is supposed to be tailored to our particular situation.  I know when my biopsy results came in they reviewed my particular plan to suit.  But again they can’t and cannot give guarantees. Cancer is a beast with a path of its own. Having done everything through the one clinic meant everyone involved in my team were there at the discussion and the plan/options i had to go forward with. Then my medical oncologist with the nurse went through it all with me. I went along with everything as my knowledge of everything was learn as you go. And do everything i could to try for the best outcome possible. I was told that if anything got too hard they can adjust the treatment. I’m still here nearly 7 years on riding the roller coaster on the roundabout 
    In the end what treatment you go with is your decision and you need to be comfortable with that decision. 
  • Thaankyou @cranky_granny for sharing your story and being open. I am glad you are still here 7 years later :smile: I appreciate your story re: actions to keep away from heart (mine is also left side) and so glad to hear that you have had no ill effects. I wish I was in the one clinic but it doesn't seem to have gone that way. Nurse might be my best way to thread this all togehter. Thanks again! A
  • Hi @AmandaTR - I have had a recent similar experience to you diagnosis & treatment wise. Stage 1, lumpectomy with clear margins, 3 weeks of radiation. I read the info regarding possible side effects around heart/lung/ribs also. But you are taught to hold your breath while the radiation is delivered to reduce the risk. They can also apparently "bend" the radiation around your body to better target only the areas they want to treat, thus reducing the risk of heart/lung damage. I was told because of my relative young age (47) that's why I would have the radiation to give me the best chance of making sure the cancer was gone before starting hormones. I had great specialists and so they gave me great information, but I also read the resources given to me, and the cancer council website I found very helpful. I'm almost 5 weeks since finishing the radiation - my skin has basically returned to normal colour, and my radiation oncologist doesn't need to see me again (nicest breakup I've been through). I've just started Tamoxifen on Thursday, and to be honest, it's the part I'm most concerned about side effects wise. Am hoping that I can avoid as many of the side effects as possible, but we'll see. Best of luck with your treatment.
  • Hi @AmandaTR.  I’m just writing to say I know how you feel.  I started my journey like a deer in the headlights, with diagnosis and treatment during lockdown, and no breast cancer nurse.  I didn’t warm to my medical oncologist on first meeting, either.  We’re all different, and my cancer was quite different from yours, but things worked out ok for me (so far 🤞🏼) and I want to reassure you that your path will become clearer.  Already you are getting some very helpful feedback on this site.  Hang in there.
  • Hi, I was 5 mm tumour right breast.. stage 2… no nodes… had 3 weeks of radiotherapy and now on letrazole. I had no problems with lumpectomy and radiotherapy…a few issues with letrazole … dry vagina..thinner hair..but all else is okay. I was keen to move forward… I hope you find trust and knowledge. I trusted my gp who insisted I have an ultrasound after clear mammogram with “dense breasts” on report. All the best. Xxx
  • Hi Amanda. I had Grade 2 stage 1 Lobular ER/PR +ve tumour and sentinel lymph nodes removed in May. Margins and LNs clear, and tumour small (<2cm)so didn't need chemo. Started radiation last week and will then go on to hormone blocking therapy.
    I was told by rad oncologist too about heart, and their booklets referred to other side effects eg ribs.
    However, my rad oncologist told me that surgery gave me 50% cure rate, add radiation brings it to 90% then with hormones up to 98% chance of being cured.
    Hope this helps
  • Hi @AmandaTR. ... Welcome to the forum ...  sorry to see you here, but you're in the best spot for the best info on anything that you ask.  Check out this post for lots of info on the forum - you may like to check out some of our other posts too - for a laugh, or show us your fur kid, garden, arts & craft etc xx
    https://onlinenetwork.bcna.org.au/discussion/23477/a-big-welcome-to-all-our-new-members#latest

    Mine was Grade 2, Stage 1 too .... with lumpectomy and sentinel node test, followed by 4 weeks of radiation.   As mine didn't need chemo - the radiation was explained to me as 'mopping up' any random cells that the surgery may have missed, even tho there were clear margins (one was very narrow.)   I've been on AI/Hormone reducing tablets for 5 years now - and just saw my Onc last week.  I could stop the tablets now - but I requested staying on for another 2 years and she has agreed, tho has said that I can stop at any time, if I want.  

    Re your question ..... sadly, it does all become a bit of a conveyor belt once a BC diagnosis is made and you DO feel like 'a boob' or 'a blob' for a time ... but there are 'set routines' that they need to be do to cover all the bases, to get the best outcome possible, for you. 

    If you feel you aren't getting the info you need, you should be able to change your Rad Onc (I changed my Medical Onc as I just didn't have any rapport with him at all & he also never gave any information.  I now have a lovely lady Onc who LISTENS and explains anything that needs explaining.)

    My very basic understanding of Radiation is to kill any random cells that surgery may have missed and the AI Tablets suppresses the hormone that was feeding the tumour/s - reducing the risk of a recurrence.

    With radiation, the more common 'position' is Face Up (but your boobs sort of 'pancake flat') .... but mine was face down (with my boob hanging thru a hole), as altho I am not large breasted - I've always been a 34 - I basically stopped wearing a bra in my 30s (I am 70 now) and never had kids - so they may have just stretched a bit .....  My Rad Onc felt that my surgery site (around & under the nipple) would receive better targeted rays and less risk of internal damage from 'overflow' rays.   I would suggest that you ask your Rad Onc if this may be suitable for you, dependent on where your surgery was and your boob 'shape' more than your size.

    Check out these couple of publications .... re Optimal Care Pathway for those with BC 

    There is a 'short doc PDF' that you can read, attached below,

    and/or read this more in-depth doc online - which explains the role of your multi-disciplinary team and everything that goes on, once a BC diagnosis is made:

    https://www.cancer.org.au/assets/pdf/breast-cancer-optimal-cancer-care-pathway

    Take care & all the best with your ongoing treatments xx

    Well done to your GP, @Edithead on insisting on an ultrasound as you have dense breasts .... my tumours were totally missed on the mammogram as well & even the Ultrasound was 'undecided' but the radiologist suggested a biopsy under ultrasound, which clearly showed them.   I even asked BreastScreen NSW to 're-read' the original 2 mammograms, and they almost gleefully told me that I didn't have BC!!  A bit strange, as I'd already had the surgery & radiation!  All the best with your ongoing recovery xx