I don't mind if I've done something to deserve it, it's the sneaky 3pm exhaustion that arrives without reason or warning that does my head in. I've been so tired on occassions I've had to pull up on the side of the road on the way home from work because I'm falling asleep after spending the the last two hours sounding like I've got a brain injury because I can't string a coherent sentence together. The other shitty side effect is sugar and carb cravings that do nothing but pack on the kilos.
Ah well, what can you do? It's confidence destroying because I don't know when it's going to happen, but life won't wait and I can't be held hostage by something I can't control or predict. On one plods.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:261616"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Zoffiel"},"postTime":"2019-07-27T22:09:56.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":2}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwy","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":261630,"body":"And it resonated that Dr Tottman recognised how hard it is to take her own advice - that it's very much a work in progress. You don't have to be happy about the way things are now but it's important to try moving towards accepting it. Ggrrrr....","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:261616"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Sister"},"postTime":"2019-07-31T02:09:27.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":2}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwz","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":261645,"body":"I am not sure sometimes if its still fatigue or in fact depression which makes me so tired. Yesterday I got a few hours off caring for my dad and went fishing with my bro. His idea it was and we walked a few km's to the ocean across the road to a low tide gutter and cast a few lures. My bro gave up after half an hour but I wanted to get my exercised worth and stayed a few hours. Golly I was half frozen and worn out when I got home. I slept well last night and feel better today. I lost a kilo in weight as well. Only another 19 to go lol. No fish were caught during this exercise.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:261616"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Brenda5"},"postTime":"2019-08-04T15:13:56.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":2}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw0","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":261617,"body":"I'm still fatigued 2.5 years on and accepting thus might be as goid as it gets. It's especially when I have been really busy and stressed with poor sleep for a number of days. Slowing down and relaxation may have made you actually take notice how tired you are. 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I hope your fatigue improves with time, but you have a big household to look after, emotionally and physically. So it’s not surprising you get tired. ","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"208","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-07-27T16:54:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-07-27T16:54:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"community:nkyiu94732board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer/message:261616/message:261619","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"341","rawBody":"I also have fatigue 7 years on, but I am 70 years old. So I don’t expect the fatigue to go away. I seem to be always tired, whether or not I have taken a sleeping pill.
I hope your fatigue improves with time, but you have a big household to look after, emotionally and physically. So it’s not surprising you get tired. 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Thankfully I now have more good days than bad days, but it's really hard to predict what will trigger a crash. I'm on the couch now, but so I bloody should be after hosting my partner's family Xmas in July last night (char sui duck--nailed it) too much red, random people snoring in the house, a 6km River walk at dawn , two tandem loads of pruning and a massage.
I don't mind if I've done something to deserve it, it's the sneaky 3pm exhaustion that arrives without reason or warning that does my head in. I've been so tired on occassions I've had to pull up on the side of the road on the way home from work because I'm falling asleep after spending the the last two hours sounding like I've got a brain injury because I can't string a coherent sentence together. The other shitty side effect is sugar and carb cravings that do nothing but pack on the kilos.
Ah well, what can you do? It's confidence destroying because I don't know when it's going to happen, but life won't wait and I can't be held hostage by something I can't control or predict. On one plods.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-07-27T22:09:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-07-27T22:09:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"community:nkyiu94732board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer/message:261616/message:261623","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1180","rawBody":"2.5 years post my latest chemo, fatigue is still a frustratingly random problem. Thankfully I now have more good days than bad days, but it's really hard to predict what will trigger a crash. I'm on the couch now, but so I bloody should be after hosting my partner's family Xmas in July last night (char sui duck--nailed it) too much red, random people snoring in the house, a 6km River walk at dawn , two tandem loads of pruning and a massage.
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As I said, I haven't had too bad a run with fatigue. And it definitely was that. Today I'm tired (it's been busy) but I'm able to be upright without the overwhelming urge to lie down.
You're right about it being confidence destroying @Zoffiel. I think about getting a job, the sustained level of concentration required, the stress, and then coming home to deal with the family, on my own more often than not, and if I then have one of these fatigue attacks at any point...
@kezmusc I haven't had a reaction like this before. I felt good all day, until I didn't!
@Afraser @iserbrown I'm working on improving the tiredness situation. I'm going to bed earlier and improving my sleep 'hygiene'. I'll keep trying.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-07-28T02:14:39.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-07-28T02:14:39.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"community:nkyiu94732board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer/message:261616/message:261625","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"791","rawBody":"@Sister Cripes. Well that explains it.
As I said, I haven't had too bad a run with fatigue. And it definitely was that. Today I'm tired (it's been busy) but I'm able to be upright without the overwhelming urge to lie down.
You're right about it being confidence destroying @Zoffiel. I think about getting a job, the sustained level of concentration required, the stress, and then coming home to deal with the family, on my own more often than not, and if I then have one of these fatigue attacks at any point...
@kezmusc I haven't had a reaction like this before. I felt good all day, until I didn't!
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