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positive3negati
10 years agoMember
Before You Reclaim Your Curves
There's a new pink charity on the block. It's called 'Reclaim Your Curves' and it aims to provide support and information to women seeking breast reconstruction following mastectomy.
Here's their web site:
http://www.reclaimyourcurves.org.au
It's a worthy aim. The choices we make following mastectomy are intensely personal and the provision of more information to women can only be a good thing, right? Well......maybe.
Impartial information that allows women to make an informed decision is a wonderful thing. If only this charity was impartial. Instead, it seemed to be more of a promotional site for breast reconstruction.
For those of us that chose not to go down the reconstruction path, some of the language is disturbing (if not offensive). On the home page of their website there's a short slide show explaining statistics. It tells us that 17 Australian women will be told today that they need a mastectomy but that "only two of these women will restore their bodies".
Wait..... Restore?
Then there's a cute video of women that chose reconstruction talking about how happy and proud they are with their choices. There's nothing about the down side. No comment from women that chose not to have the surgery, or women that had it and regretted it. It's a very one sided presentation accompanied by cheery music. Breast reconstruction; what's not to love?
On the page 'Get started with breast reconstruction' there's this comment:
"Breast reconstruction offers you the opportunity to get back something that breast cancer has taken away."
Which would be true if reconstruction gave you back your breasts. But let's be honest. It doesn't. It gives you back a mound of fat and/or tissue transplanted from another part of your body that approximates a breast, or an implant that approximates a breast. But nothing can really give you back your breasts.
And then there's your nipples. When people ask me if I miss my breasts I can honestly say that I don't, but oh how I miss my nipples. Reconstruction can't give me back the sensation of my husband kissing them or touching them.
Reconstructed breasts can never have the same sensation as real breasts. It's interesting that in the section under 'Myths about breast reconstruction' myth number six reads:
"Reconstructed breasts have no feeling"
Which might lead you to believe that reconstructed breasts have normal sensation. But they don't. Read on and the comment below this 'myth' is ambiguous.
"Women who have natural tissue reconstruction tend to regain more sensation than women who have breast implants, because nerve endings in the chest (if they are not damaged during mastectomy) sometimes spontaneously connect with nerve endings in the flap."
Sometimes. So not always. Not even 'often'. And implants not at all. Once again the language seriously downplays one of the significant issues involved in reconstruction; it's extremely likely that you'll have reduced sensation in your chest area regardless of which procedure you choose.
Another of the listed 'myths' is this one:
"Reconstructed breasts don’t look natural"
which includes the comment:
"Many women have reconstructed breasts that cannot be distinguished from natural breasts."
I'm assuming this claim relates to the way reconstructed breast look in clothing. When I was researching breast construction I looked at all the photos I could find. The results varied from good to horrific but not once did I see a result that looked like natural breasts. I also saw plenty of reconstructions that would not have looked good under tight clothing. There are no guarantees.
Here's a link to a site that contains some photographs of reconstructions so you can draw your own conclusions:
Keep in mind that these are considered to be good results.
The Reclaim Your Curves site is honest about the possibility of repeat surgery to achieve an acceptable result but once again, the risks are downplayed. Every single surgery carries risk and more surgery increases that risk. Women need to know that.
The site compares reconstruction rates in Australia with the UK and the USA and makes this comment:
"The Australian Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) believes the comparatively low rate in Australia points to a lack of awareness of what is involved, and the procedure itself, as well as the lack of support services in regional, rural and remote populations."
How about the possibility that rates are low because many of us considered our choices and chose not to have reconstruction?
Then there's the very real concern about vested interests. The members of the Australian College of Plastic Surgeons have financial reasons for promoting breast reconstruction. And notice it's their 'belief'. It's not a conclusion based on research.
Here's some research:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12621175
What they found was this:
"The results indicate that breast reconstruction is not a universal panacea for the emotional and psychological consequences of mastectomy. Women still reported feeling conscious of altered body image 1 year postoperatively, regardless of whether or not they had elected breast reconstruction. Health professionals should be careful of assuming that breast reconstruction necessarily confers psychological benefits compared with mastectomy alone."
Then there's the added concern that some of the sponsors of this site also rely upon breast reconstruction as a revenue stream. One of their major sponsors is Airxpanders, a company that makes a product used in implant surgery. There's a clear conflict of interest.
My primary concern with this charity is that the tone and content seem to be strongly supportive of breast reconstruction. This is not a site that provides impartial information. The risks and complications associated with surgery are downplayed and there's no comparison between reconstruction vs no reconstruction. It's assumed that reconstruction is the way to go.
I suppose that Reclaim Your Curves could respond by saying that they assume any woman coming to their site has already decided she wants reconstruction, but I doubt that's the case. I'm sure that there are many uncertain visitors seeking information. They deserve to know all their options.
The site includes lots of quotes from women happy with their reconstruction, and none from those that aren't. Once again I feel this creates a false impression. Yes, reconstruction can be a wonderful choice for some people but it can also be a disastrous choice for others. An informed decision can only be made when women are given all of the information.
Then there's this:
"Most women who have undergone reconstructive procedures are happy with their results and glad they pursued it. Lots of women get through with no problems at all, while other ladies unfortunately have some hiccups along the way, so it is good to get a realistic idea of what can be achieved and also how the stages might play out before you embark on this part of the journey."
I think 'hiccups' seriously downplays the very real risks. This quote is from the section 'Working out what you want' which, once again, includes no information about why a woman might choose not to have reconstruction. Also, working out what you want apparently doesn't require you to have a full appreciation of the risks associated with each procedure.
The only reference I could find to the risks is in their 'myths' section. The myth in this case is 'Something always goes wrong' and the advice says this:
"Any surgery has a potential for complications, and breast reconstruction is no exception. Most women who have breast reconstruction, however, do not experience problems. Serious problems are uncommon, but the risk of infection, a negative reaction to anesthesia, delayed wound healing, excessive bleeding, hematoma, seroma and an unsatisfactory cosmetic result are possibilities. (Another good reason to find a skilled and experienced surgeon for your procedure.)"
Notice how the language states that serious problems are uncommon but gives no statistics. What's uncommon? One in one hundred? One in twenty? I'd like to know before I submitted to a medical procedure of any kind. I'm also concerned that the language implies that a skilled and experienced surgeon is the way to avoid any problems. Yes, it's ambiguous language and you could read it either way, but my concern is that even the most skilled of surgeons makes mistakes.
I'd like to make the case that providing women with support to make decisions about reconstruction should include sound advice based on facts and research. It should include all of the options available to women, including the option of not having reconstruction.
To their credit, a recent 'Reclaim Your Curves' event listed someone who was 'flat and fabulous' as one of the speakers, but she never appeared. The only explanation given was that she had been booked to speak but was unavailable.
The information evening has glowing reviews on their web site but to some of those attending it had disturbing shades of a sales promotion. An elderly woman was told that it was never too late to have reconstruction and there was a smattering of applause. No mention of the risks that this surgery would have for someone her age. A doctor reassured everyone that there was a "95% success rate" when it came to reconstruction.
But you see, a 95% success rate means that one in twenty women had a failed reconstruction. The presenter brushed away questions about failures with an acknowledgement that it wasn't pretty and the audience didn't want to know about it.
But the audience should know about the failures. They should understand what happens when the body rejects transplanted tissue or implants. They should know about the incidence of staph infections in hospitals and the risks associated with anaesthetic. To deny women this information is to deny them their right to a fully informed decision.
When I made the decision not to have reconstruction and wrote about it, I received lots of messages from people about that post. In the interest of balancing out the highly positive comments on the Reclaim Your Curves site, here's a selection of comments from another perspective:
"I don't think they should call it breast reconstruction. I didn't get breasts. I got numb mounds on the front of my body. They never felt like part of me."
"It makes me angry when I read comments about women reclaiming their femininity. I'm not less feminine without breasts."
"My reconstruction was a disaster. My body rejected the tissue and it became stinky and rotten. They had to cut more of my body away to get rid of the infection. The pain and the scarring were terrible. I wish I'd just had a mastectomy and left it at that."
"Nobody told me how painful it would be. I had a morphine pump after the surgery and even though I used it I was still in the most terrible pain. The nurses told me it was normal. I still have nightmares."
"It was just assumed I'd want a reconstruction. It wasn't discussed with me. I didn't get a choice. When I healed from my mastectomy I had these flaps of skin that the surgeon said would make reconstruction easier. But I didn't want reconstruction. Now I'm trying to decide if I should risk more surgery or just live with the results."
"The healthiest choice for me was to just have the mastectomy. I wanted to get my life back to normal as soon as possible."
"After reconstruction I couldn't exercise for months. I gained a lot of weight and that's had a serious impact on my health. I get anxious about how my weight affects my cancer risk."
"I decided to have the mastectomy and just wear foobs. After a couple of months of messing about with bras and padding and prosthetics I just stopped worrying about it."
"If you look at me you wouldn't know if I'd had a mastectomy or if I'm just naturally flat chested. I've done weights to build up my chest muscles and I think I have a nice athletic shape now. I don't miss having breasts at all."
and finally, the saddest message I received, from the husband of a woman that underwent breast reconstruction:
"Katie wasn't sure about reconstruction and even though I had my doubts I encouraged her to do what ever she wanted. There were complications and she lost a lot of blood. Then she got infected and became very ill. I was beside her in the hospital when she died and all I could think was that if I'd told her not to have it, or that I didn't want her to have it, she'd still be with me."
This brave man now spends some of his time telling his story and encouraging people to consider the small but very real risk of death that comes with reconstruction surgery. He tells me he's particularly concerned about any message that implies that men will have a preference for reconstruction;
"It wouldn't have made any difference to me. To be honest, I found the idea of moving part of her body up to her chest a bit freaky, but I wanted to support her so I never said anything. I wouldn't have loved her less without breasts."
It is possible to provide clear and unbiased advice about breast reconstruction and a number of sites already do this. This site (BCNA) has great reconstruction advice here:
https://www.bcna.org.au/understanding-breast-cancer/treatment/breast-reconstruction
It's clear and impartial advice that supports the right of all women to make whatever choice best serves them, including the decision to not have reconstruction (although there is a link to the Reclaim Your Curves site).
And the UK cancer research site has this:
Both sites are, in my opinion, much better sources of advice on breast reconstruction. The BCNA site openly considers the possibility that a woman may not want reconstruction and the UK site is very clear about the possible complications associated with any kind of reconstruction procedure.
It will be interesting to monitor the progress of this charity. In particular, it will be interesting to see where their funding comes from and how it's spent. There's a case to be made for diverting the funding that this charity attracts to other more needy causes, particularly given the clear vested interests of some of the supporters and participants.
Ultimately my issue is with providing all women with freedom of choice. I fully support any woman's decision to have reconstruction if it helps her to recover from the physical and psychological impact of breast cancer, but anyone making this decision should have a full appreciation of the risks, the facts and the potential for things to go horribly wrong.
Reclaim Your Curves does not, in my opinion, provide unbiased information. In fact it's a very much a case of 'me think thou dost protest too much'. To put it another way, there's an awful lot of justification for having reconstruction and not a lot of information on the risks or potential complications.
If you're faced with the inevitability of a mastectomy then reconstruction should certainly be one of the options you consider, but you should have balanced and unbiased information that supports what ever decision you ultimately make.
You shouldn't feel ashamed of your choice to have reconstruction, or your choice to NOT have reconstruction. There are pros and cons for both. Interestingly, the most recent piece of research I've seen reported that women choosing reconstruction did so for aesthetic reasons, and women choosing not to have reconstruction did so for health reasons.
This is entirely consistent with my own experience. Having researched breast reconstruction I ultimately decided that I wouldn't have it. I don't deny that it's been wonderful for many women but it wasn't for me.
The case in favour of having the least amount of surgery with the shortest possible recovery time is worth considering. And that's how my husband summed it up. He was incredibly supportive and determined to let me make up my own mind, but when I ultimately decided on a mastectomy without reconstruction he admitted his relief.
"I know I would have dealt with it, but the idea of moving your tummy to your chest was freaking me out. There's just something not right about it. You are not your breasts. I love you. I want you well. I want you well as soon as possible, without more surgery and more surgery after that. I won't love you less without breasts and I'm proud of you for making a decision that gave you the least possible surgery and the shortest possible recovery time. Your health is my top priority. Not your appearance."
Yes. That's what it comes down to. My core values are about my health. Not my appearance. Breast reconstruction would have meant longer surgery, greater risk, longer recovery and the possibility of additional surgeries and all of those associated risks. And for what? Something approximating breasts but not really breasts.
I know there are women that think of their reconstructed breasts as real breasts. I also know that I wouldn't feel this way about them. My friend Leonie summed it up this way:
"For me, breast reconstruction was the equivalent of giving me a stuffed toy to replace my pet dog after it had died. My breasts are gone and I would rather deal honestly with the reality of that than pretend that any kind of surgery can replace them. It can't."
I know that not everyone feels this way, but Leonie, me, and plenty of other women do. Our experience is no less valid or relevant than the experience of those women happy with reconstruction. It is certainly validated by the many women that have subjected their bodies to reconstruction only to regret it.
If you're considering reconstruction then please know this; Not having it is a legitimate choice. If you're feeling like that option isn't on the table then speak up. Ask questions. Ask doctors to give you information about the difference it makes to your recovery time, your pain, your risks, your potential complication and your long term health. Make the decision that best helps you to recover but know that there are many of us out here that chose not to have reconstruction because we didn't think the risks were worth it or we didn't think the results justified the cost to our health.
I don't need to reclaim my curves. I still have curves. I just don't have breasts. And I'm very happy about that.
Reposted from my blog at https://positive3neg.wordpress.com
a continuing story of my recovery from triple negative breast cancer
21 Replies
- Jane221Member
Hi Meg,
As you may be aware I am one of the volunteer Facilitators with the Breast Reconstruction group on this site and am one of the small team of volunteers who help with the Reclaim Your Curves website and private Facebook group. Like a number of the other ladies who have responded to your post, I , and my fellow Facilitators are solely concerned about women receiving the information they need to make the choices that are right for them in relation to reconstruction, including the choice not to reconstruct.
The Reclaim Your Curves website and Facebook group was established last year by Louise Turner, who also established the Breast Reconstruction group on this site. Having heard from many women over the past few years in the BCNA group that there was little detailed, practical information and support concerning reconstruction (other than the blog posts in the group itself), the decision was made to establish a consumer group that would work with health professionals to ensure women are educated about the various (and ever expanding) options concerning reconstruction and to connect and support women (through various platforms) as they go through what can often be a difficult and confusing time.
The Fact Sheets on the website about the various procedures include detailed information on the risks of these procedures, as well as information on pre and post surgery preparations, which reconstructions may suit some women better, expected recovery times and the stages of reconstruction. This information was sourced from a number of government and other trust worthy sites such as:
- Cancer Australia
- BCNA
- BreastCancer.org
- Better Health (Vic Govt)
- MacMillan Cancer Support
- Cancer Research UK
These references are listed at the bottom of each Fact Sheet. The Fact Sheets have also been reviewed by a specialist Plastic Surgeon to ensure the information is relevant to Australia. In addition, excerpts from Prof John Boyages book, Breast Cancer Taking Control, clearly state the risks and discusses the pros and cons of reconstruction.
You may also have missed the fact that Reclaim Your Curves is collaborating with a number of medical and health organisations, including BreastSurgANZ (the organisation that represents those breast surgeons and oncoplastic surgeons that manage around 90% of the women with early breast cancer in Australia and New Zealand). A growing number of these surgeons, as well as plastic surgeons and other health professionals refer their patients to the Reclaim Your Curves website as it is consumer-friendly.
At the Awareness Event in Maitland, as Alison mentioned, one of our speakers was a lady who chose not to reconstruct, but unfortunately she was unable to make the recent Central Coast event. However, Louise did make reference to this choice during the evening and I seem to recall some applause then too when she spoke about being “flat and fabulous”. Perhaps not surprisingly however, given that the attendees had requested information on reconstruction, the main focus was on the different techniques available locally.
In relation to your comments about the statistics around reconstruction, you might be interested to read my interview (in the Conversations section on the website) with Prof Andrew Spillane, Chair of BreastSurgANZ and his views that there are major inequities in accessing reconstruction for many women in Australia due to lack of information and support from surgeons in some regions. This is the focus of a major research project for his colleague Dr Kathy Flitcroft. It is true that some women will simply not want to have reconstruction and that is absolutely OK, but not when the choice has been made for them.
While there are other issues in the post that I could comment on, such as reconstructive surgery not being considered “cosmetic surgery” (see Cancer Australia), my main message is that Reclaim Your Curves (which by the way is totally volunteer run with many hours and personal financial commitments made) is here to support women no matter what their decision is regarding reconstruction, and we fully respect and support those women who choose not to reconstruct and hope that for those of us who did choose reconstruction our choices can also be respected and supported. Cheers, Jane
Hello my friend,
Thanks for the feedback. It was challenging to write because I'm aware that any time this issue comes up I'm likely to get negative responses.
I was inspired by the number of women that have written to me via my blog with their own personal stories of feeling like they weren't given a choice, or women that thought they'd made an informed decision only to find the reality was really not what they had been 'sold'.
Of course the most moving message of all was from the lovely man that lost his wife and chose to share his story with me. He's of the opinion that all cosmetic surgery should come with a serious warning about the possible consequences.
I'm close to three years well which, as I'm sure you know, will be a big milestone. My surgeon has already send me for my three year bone scans and CT scans and everything is clear. I'm feeling well and happy and hope you are the same.
Much love
MegThanks so much for your comment, Jane.
I chose a bilateral mastectomy because I was an F cup and I didn't like the idea of having to wear a balancing prosthesis or having reconstruction on one side and then a reduction on the other (because I didn't have enough tummy to build an F cup!).
I'm happy with my decision and like my new athletic body but the loss of my nipples still makes me cry sometimes.
Of course, I probably would have lost feeling on the 'good' side as a result of the surgery to reduce it anyway.
Least amount of surgery for the fastest possible recovery was my criteria. I accept that other women have different values and I agree with you about external concepts of beauty. I have a very dear friend who is naturally flat chested and it's been very interesting to hear her observations about language that suggests a flat chested woman isn't feminine or whole. Understandably, she finds that kind of assumption very offensive.
Please know, as I have said before, I fully support every woman's right to make an informed choice in favour of reconstruction.
I have had many messages from women that felt they weren't offered a choice, or who felt pushed into reconstruction without the opportunity to fully inform themselves. That's why I wrote this post.
Like you, I recognise that some women find reconstruction is beneficial but I've also had many messages from women that felt they were not fully informed of the risks, pain levels or the associated numbness and need for ongoing surgery.
I'm not opposed to reconstruction. I'm opposed to women thinking it's their only choice.
Me too and there's nothing sadder than a funeral for a friend.
I'm very sorry that you found this post to be a lecture and that you believed I was discounting the consideration that all women give this important decision. That wasn't my intention and I was very careful to limit my criticism to this particular charity and my opinion that they have failed to provide women with balanced and unbiased advice regarding this very important choice.
I will continue to support the right of every woman to make the best choice for herself. My issue is with a group that seems to be seriously downplaying the risks. I am very sorry if my comments caused offence to you or anyone else.- AlpalMember
It’s interesting how we have all experienced a similar time through the trauma of breast cancer, and yet each one of us is unique in that experience.
My take on the Reclaim Your Curves organisation is so different to yours and I feel compelled to respond.
I don’t feel that RYC is pro-reconstruction as such, but rather pro-c hoice – I needed to know what different methods were available, and what they involved so that I could make a choice whether to have reconstruction or not. Breast cancer was out of my control, but to choose reconstruction or not is IN my control, so I want to find good information and be connected with real people who can help to inform me. At no point did I feel that RYC was forcing me into reconstruction, or making me feel incomplete if I didn’t choose reconstruction.
I’m not sure why you take offence at the word “restore” when discussing breast reconstruction – for me, reconstruction did offer the opportunity to “get back something that has been taken away”. We all understand that we won’t be getting back real breasts, but that “something” was restoring a shape that I so missed having. It doesn’t mean that by choosing NOT to have reconstruction, you are somehow lacking. To restore anything is to repair or reconstruct, and is a choice we make.
The “cute” video on the RYC website you describe as “a very one-sided presentation accompanied by cheery music” – the women describe the loss of a very important part of their body, the grief involved in this, and then move on to say that for them , there is pride in the choice they have made – THEIR choice after a traumatic experience that was not their choice. Why would they discuss the downside in this medium when for them, it has been a positive in their lives? I think the point of the video has been missed.
You discuss the possibility that reconstruction rates are low in Australia because many have considered their choices and not to have reconstruction – that would be great if it was correct, but my experience is that many women have NOT known what their options are and have just gone ahead with what their surgeon has recommended (in some cases no information on reconstruction at all, or only one method – no options for choice). I’m by no means an expert, but this has been my take when talking with women in a variety of forums.
In regards to emotional and psychological consequences – breast reconstruction is not a universal panacea (and RYC never claims that it is), but for many of us who have chosen to have reconstruction, it HAS made a very positive difference in healing and moving forward after breast cancer. My breasts don’t define me, but I love having mounds again under my clothing and when I see myself naked – my choice.
The RYC website and closed Facebook group WAS a very honest and truthful area for me to gain much of my information, and was a huge influence in my decision. Because of the information presented, and the opportunity to connect with real women, I completely changed my mind about whether reconstruction was right for me, and the method I proceeded with.
I don’t feel that the website claims to be anything else.
You have concerns about “vested interest” on behalf of the Australian College of Plastic Surgeons and their connection with authenticating the information presented – I for one feel reassured that they ARE connected and ensuring that we are informed about current technology and methods.
Regarding the company Air Xpanders – I questioned their sponsorship to the website facilitators when it first appeared and was informed that Air XP have given funding for educational programs in regional areas – these are the Breast Reconstruction Awareness Events (already run in Maitland and Central Coast) that give an overview about reconstruction in general rather than acting as a promotional platform for the company. Their logo is on the website, as are the logos of other sponsors who have donated time or services (such as printing companies) to support the community work of RYC.
In terms of specific surgery risks and understanding what can go wrong is, as the RYC website states, the domain of the oncoplastic breast surgeon or plastic surgeon, as everyone’s body is so different.
Again, because of the information on the website and Facebook group, I was able to have very informed discussions with various surgeons which then ultimately influenced my choice.
Clear links are given on the website to “connect” with other women so you CAN find out what it’s really like – that’s the beauty of RYC – we get the real picture, both the pros and cons so we can make an informed choice.
Choosing to be “flat and fabulous” is to be celebrated as well, and that’s why the RYC event at Maitland had a lovely lady sharing her reasons for making that CHOICE – it was her informed choice. Unfortunately she wasn’t able to make it the the Central Coast event which was a shame.
As you state, a mixture of feedback is always invaluable. I did note however, that many of the women you quoted from another perspective stated that they were NOT informed of choices or told what reconstruction would really be like – this is what RYC is aiming for – to ensure that women ARE informed and can make a decision that is best for them.
For me, RYC does provide all women with the freedom of choice, by giving up-to-date information and providing connections to other women for honest and frank discussions.
My husband, like yours, has been incredibly supportive and was relieved with the method of reconstruction I chose (although assured me that he loved me as I was) but he has been grateful for the real information and support that RYC has provided for both of us in helping me to reach my decision.
I hope to see them go from strength to strength in supporting women through such a difficult path in life.
- Robyn_WMember
Hello and so good to see you here:) As always,I LOVE what you write.It is so well researched and then written.Congratulations on this piece of writing! I agree with what you say here.Hope you are keeping well? Cheers Robyn xox
- jd48Member
OMG... time for a new touchscreen for me... appologies for all the typos
- MarleeMember
Thanks for your post
I agree with some of what you say and disagree with others. - and of course that's ok
I think maybe you are trivialising the decision making that women go through when deciding to reconstruct. I believe women are very intelligent and those that are thinking of reconstruction are looking at multiple sources for information.
I have personally decided to wait to reconstruct, for the exact reasons you talk about but I have not yet decided on if I will or not.
I am happy for you that you have managed to be happy with your body and that you have managed to obtain a great athletic build, however for many this is not achievable. Let's be honest, ladies clothes are not made for no breasts and big tummies, they look strange. (Personal opinion of myself lol)
Women with one breast will have to wear prosthetics every day, including for exercise and this may become very tedious.
The website you are talking about has so far been very honest and informative for me. The Facebook page too is fantastic, women are honest and supportive and definitely not hiding the bad stuff. It's all there in words and pictures.
I believe there was a lack of information in Australia before Louise started that site, so in that regards it's great we have a starting place
All choices are valid and it's really important to look critically at websites, so thank you for taking the time to do that.
Best wishes ????