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Disappointed in The Beacon's name change
Hi All
It's been a long time since I posted. I've been thinking about this, and watching to see if anyone else commented on this. I don't know if somewhere along the way I've missed something. Was there discussion or consultaion about the name change to Pink Lady? I feel that it's diappointing, and disrespectful to our male members, after all, men do get breast cancer too, And as an organisation, I thought the aim was to be more inclusive, not less.
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts
Lyn
It's been a long time since I posted. I've been thinking about this, and watching to see if anyone else commented on this. I don't know if somewhere along the way I've missed something. Was there discussion or consultaion about the name change to Pink Lady? I feel that it's diappointing, and disrespectful to our male members, after all, men do get breast cancer too, And as an organisation, I thought the aim was to be more inclusive, not less.
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts
Lyn
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- @Zoffiel. I'm in agreement but I have to segue to the irreverent...footballer in drag when wearing pink - that needs a photo (maybe that's the logo they're looking for) . Anyhoo, back to the serious, I believe they do need to back off from changing the Beacon name in the first instance. Then, taking on board what has been raised in this discussion as well as the analysis from the marketing team (I assume there's been some real analysis), work out a way forward that looks to the future. Logos are great but do need updating every now and then to remain relevant. Dated logos only work when they're so old that they become reminiscent of a "golden" past. I would think that the image BCNA wants to project would be inclusive, non-ageist, and forward-thinking.
24 hours since Christine responded, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those offices. If only because I find frantic activity fascinating. Yeah, it's a character fault.
I do feel for them; it's pretty disturbing to think you are on a winner to find all the things you were excited about are not well received. I know this because I've been there. I can well imagine what it was like to come back from a break to find the white ants have moved in. But in we are.
I'm holding my ground at the moment: I want to see the decision to change the name of the Beacon rescinded. For now.
As @afraser has so wisely commented, middle ground needs to be found. Stopping the rot at this stage is a great plan. Using the feedback from this thread to consider what needs to be done about gender inclusion in the future works for me too.
I know how hard it is to rebrand. It's not just a matter of changing colours or chopping the skirt off an image. Something that needs to be considered is the value of good will and public recognition. I perfectly understand why BCNA wants to hang on to something that really works for them and, by definition, for us. Believe me, having been involved with a number of feminist organisations over the years, the philosophy of mutual accord is just that, a philosophy. Someone is always unhappy.
But, and it's a big but, if community opinion demands change, change should happen. Let's get rid of the name change and review the constant reference to 'women with breast cancer' It's an easy fix.
I'm no lady and look like a footballer in drag if I wear pink but I have no real problem with the logo. For now. I really urge you all to think about what has sparked this thread and focus on doing something that should be relatively simple and not too bruising to the egos and bottom line of the people responsible for the decision. No Pink Lady magazine. Thanks.
- I’m heartened by the amazing commentary and support from the online community on this topic...something is happening out there and the drums are beating loud and hard and it’s not just a couple of old men banging on this time.
So many genuine attempts to pull BCNA into the 21st century in terms of an image and logo that is more inclusive and highlights the fact that men can get breast cancer, but at the same time recognises we are the “1 percenters”. We are however part of the story and although corporate re brandings cost money and have risks associated with it, I can only look at McGrath Foundation with great admiration as they have an image and logo that works so well.
As one of the couple of men along with @traveltext who have been advocating for many years now for change it seems our experience with BCNA is two steps forward, and then another back. Don’t get me wrong, we are very thankful for the work they have done in raising Male Breast Cancer awareness but we have never had any success in addressing the elephants in the room..the pink lady and the lack of blue. BCNA please find something that works universally.
As one of the online forum mentioned it’s time BCNA put on its listening ears as this topic is the hottest by far.
I would be really interested to see where in “State of the nation” order of things this topic sits because for me and many in this forum it appears there is somewhat of a corporate identity mismatch that needs addressing for everyone to move forward.
As an aside I will be registering a protest vote as I politely unsubscribe from future editions of the pink lady publication...how disappointing
A really great discussion on branding is happening here with good points being made in post after post. I even get Afraser's point about a "meet you half way" response. But, there has to be a starting point since, as Deanne says, she can't remember the logo even being on the table for discussion, let alone the renaming of Beacon. Are these topics inviolate? If so, why?
SoldierCrab that's a great go at the logo. Two contemporary figures give an amazingly different spin to BCNA. However, I'd suggest finding a smaller role for the guys (we're just one percent after all) but having a logo that is not so exclusively female. Romla brings up the prostate cancer people owning the blue for their campaigns. Personally, since I have both prostate cancer and breast cancer, SC's logo would work for my cohort if it had a blue man with some pink :DThe bottom line here is, as AllyJay points out, awareness that men get this disease is so abysmally low that you'd want to do all you can to change this. I mean, with men, we're back where we were with women 30 years ago. Who doesn't know know that women get BC? Zero percent. Who doesn't know know that men get BC? Around 70 percent!One of the less spoken roles of BCNA is a big one - to raise funds for research. Every person who gets bc benefits from that research. Some other cancers have had far fewer developments and improvements, possibly because they are more intractable, but also perhaps because there is less money for research. However BCNA's own charter says:
BCNA is respectful and responsive to individual differences and the needs and concerns of our members, staff, volunteers and partners. Caring, trusting relationships are fundamental to how we work.
I hadn't necessarily felt that the name of the newsletter was necessarily a key factor in funds raising but, as others may feel differently, the views of those actively involved in this network might attract a more "meet you half way" response.
- @AllyJay your bloody awesome! I knew once your engine warmed up there would be more input. Thank you I hear you.
- Well, now that I have my engine warmed up, I might just have another bite of the (Pink Lady) apple. What a wasted educational opportunity to both men and women, but especially men. I'll bet if you stopped a hundred men, randomly, and asked them what to look out for, for themselves in regards to cancer, you'd get something like this. "Ummm, if I start coughing blood, shitting blood, or pissing blood, get it checked. When I'm in the shower, check my nuts...if they become swollen, painful or have any lumps, get them checked. Oh..and um, if I get any changes in colour of shape of any, whaddya call them, oh yeah...moles...get them checked. Ummm, that's about it". As one of our brother members pointed out, because of practically zero awareness of breast cancer in men, they are typically diagnosed later, with subsequent poorer futures. (I'm stuffed if I'll say "Outcomes"...hate that mealymouthed corporate claptrap). If you did the Pub Test and went into said pub and asked the male punters if men could get breast cancer, they'd think you were having them on. If a woman goes to her doctor and mentions any breast changes, claxons start blaring, red lights flash, and she is very quickly and comprehensively followed up. How many men have, and in the future will go to their doctors and maybe, perhaps, perchance, if they don't feel sooooo embarrassed to mention it, bring up a worrying change in a breast, and are told that it's probably just an infected hair follicle, or a cyst or somesuch...nothing to worry about mate. If it gets any worse over the next six months, come back" Ring - a - ding - ding...probably a bit too little and a bit too late by then. Here is this opportunity to portray, in whatever fashion is decided upon, to depict both men and women together. Have collective eyebrows hit their hairlines and people go WTF....breast cancer ...in blokes??? are you serious??? I never knew that,,,,tell me more. Such a shame.
- Updating the logo to something more modern and relevant can (as I think @Zoffiel has already said) bring about fantastic publicity opportunities. The McGrath Foundation did this with great success last year!
Strengthen the connection and relevance of BCNA to those of us (and our families and loved ones) living with the affects of this disease and we in turn will strengthen BCNA through personal advocacy and fundraising efforts. It is hard when a logo actually feels so old fashioned and does nothing to represent your own experience. There is nothing lady-like about breast cancer. It takes an incredible effort to endure treatment and find a way to live well after a diagnosis. BCNA to me is about helping each other to find that strength. A Pink Lady does not represent this. - Just for the record....
I don't agree with the name change to Pink Lady. Beacon is fine.
I don't identify as a "lady". I am woman...etc.
I don't like the dress silhouette. Change it to a more androgynous outline. Pink is still ok though, the blokes are reclaiming it, and other colours and rainbows all come with their predefined baggage.
First and foremost we are people with breast cancer looking for support, help, advice and inclusion. No one should feel left out of that.
