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COVID 19 jab
Hi everyone just wondering what everyone is doing about get the COVID 19 jab? I’m booked in for my first dose but having second thoughts with the blood clotting that’s happening, I am over 60 so I’m ok to get it but unsure.
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- Statistics are just that...numbers. I'm not too sure where your figure of 99.98% survival rate originates, but according to the Johns Hopkins statistics, the mortality rate in the USA for people who've contracted covid is 3%. Not 3% of the entire general population, but 3% of people who have tested positive. I have three medical conditions (aside from the cancer) and also was treated for a brain aneurysm. Each of the three conditions have a roughly 40% mortality within ten years of diagnosis. The one affects 5 per 100.000 people, the second one 20 per million people, the third 4 per 100.000 people and the type of aneurysm I had affects 2.4% of all intracranial aneurysms which affect 4% of the population. The percentage of 2.4% of 4% is 0.00096%. Oh...and the breast cancer is 1 in 7 in Australia...used to be 1 in 8. I'm the lucky one who has struck the jackpot with all of these which probably explains why each time I've been admitted to hospital, I have a line of students wanting to do their "long case studies" with me. (It comes up on an internal computer). I've been swooped upon by quite a few of their professors too for teaching purposes. I don't mind, if they learn something that refutes the old chestnut in medical circles of "If you hear hoof beats...think horses, not zebras". The lecturers say to the young students...."Behold...a zebra". These highly qualified doctors have kept me alive well past what was expected, so I think I'll stick with their advice. Each person is responsible for their own decisions regarding their medical treatment and I respect that.
- @arpie
It’s a 12 week gap between AstraZeneca shots and three weeks for Pfizer. I haven’t heard of anyone in my group (1b, over 70) being offered a choice but it may be for some. My understanding was that Pfizer was being prioritised for at risk persons under 70. - Five new cases have been recorded in Australia in the last week of blood clots. One has died, another is in intensive care. That’s only this week. And only 2 cases of people with covid, both of whom are perfectly fine.When covid first started, it was confirmed that mainly elderly people, especially those that already had other underlying illnesses, were susceptible to it, as well as children and immuno-suppressed people. Others were fine. That’s why it had and still has a 99.98 survival rate. So a lot of people would’ve died from other causes, but it was claimed it was covid, with no real proof. My brother in law told us that his cousin was offered money by the hospital overseas to say cause of death was covid for her dad (his uncle) even though it wasn’t. They refused the money. Many more didn’t refuse the money. The same happened with my great uncle recently.So you can’t really say that ppl getting blood clots are getting them cause they already had other illnesses, if you don’t admit that people were and are only getting covid for the same reasons. This is pure logic. These ppl are always susceptible, to many things. We can’t have a vaccine for every virus that appears, even though we’re perfectly healthy. Especially a vaccine with virtually zero research on it. So we’re healthy, but taking a vaccine that gives us blood clots, then more medicine to rectify that. Why??? After already having gone through all this cancer treatment. We fight to become healthy, only to throw it away potentially for a virus, which let me remind you again, has a 99.98% survival rate. To me this simply doesn’t make sense. Countless very qualified and experienced doctors and professors have confirmed that covid is very survivable, and that the people who are mostly affected by it are the people who’d be affected by anything. Those people need to be careful no matter what, at all times, not just now. Just like us, going through our cancer treatment, we need to be very cautious. We can’t just go out and mingle until our immunity is back up. But we certainly don’t ask everyone to get vaccinated for all viruses out there, to keep us healthy. It doesn’t work like that. We just keep safe until we need to. It’s the same situation now.But just one more time, shrugging off blood clots and death as a side effect, and saying it’s only cause they were sick anyway, is equivalent to saying covid only badly affected people who were also already sick. Which it did. It only affected and affects such people. If we’re frightened cos covid could kill sick ppl, we should be frightened the vaccine could kill sick people. And it is. It has killed many people in nursing homes, and other immuno-compromised people. But they don’t put that in the news 😠. Perspective. It’s the same thing.
- The thing is that people need to understand that blood clots form in a number of different ways and for differing reasons. In the same way, coughs are caused by different problems, and the treatment differs too. You don't treat an asthma cough with antibiotics, and you don't treat pneumonia with ventolin. I'm a bit more knowledgeable about blood clots as I have a condition called antiphospholipid antigen syndrome. This makes my blood "sticky". I've had two pulmonary embolisms and multiple DVTs in both an arm as well as in the legs. I take warfarin daily and have done for over twenty years and will do so for life. My INR (degree of blood thinness) is kept very high and I walk the tightrope of risk of severe bleeding on the one hand, and further blood clots on the other. My husband had a massive heart attack over ten years ago and takes Plavix and Cartia to prevent further clots. He can't take my meds, and I can't take his. The method of blood clot formation is different, as is the cascade of events at a cellular level that poses a risk to us both. The clotting problem with this vaccine is different from both what he and I are at risk for. I've had a good discussion with my rheumatologist, a professor at a major Sydney hospital regarding vaccination, and he has told me that, even for me, with such a track record for life threatening clots, I should still have it, because if I did get covid, that would probably be it for me. My husband spoke to his cardiac specialist as well, and was given the same advice.
- Has anyone been given a choice as to which one to be given? ie Pfizer instead of Astra?
I believe it is 2-3 months between jabs for Astra, 2 weeks for Pfizer? - I believe only one person has died and unfortunately she had a number of other health issues. Two or three others have already been released from hospital, there are varying degrees of concern with clotting (which may also depend on other health issues, don’t know). You’d actually need a much larger sample to realistically assess individual risk related to particular ailments, that research may well have started somewhere in the world but 11 cases doesn’t provide a statistically valid sample. And we don’t really want more!
- @arpie - thanks for that article. The closer we come to Monday and the more we hear about people getting the clots the more I was becoming hesitant like you as I can't afford to be ill either. Has this article set your mind at rest at all ?
I just wish the authorities would tell us what other illnesses those poor people had which made the more likely to get the clots from the AZ jab. To my knowledge only one person has died ?? Still not wanting to get the clots but would not like to have to be on a ventilator either. What to do ?? Monday's appointment is fast approaching .... - @Afraser couldn’t agree more.
Chances are high we will be able to have booster shots of other vaccines to help with variants too, such as Pfizer and Moderna down the track too. - The personal odds of a bad reaction are small - but to me there’s a community aspect as well. To quote the PM, I don’t hold a hose in this pandemic, I’m not a medical specialist, risk manager or economist. But when about 80% of us have some protection, this virus will be brought to heel. So I’m prepared to take a small risk to that end, it’s not a big help but small steps add up.
- An interesting read ...... the stats for clots with the injections are 'per million people' .... so the risk is still very small ... but if you GET Covid - the risks elevate dramatically.
And remember - we'll be getting it every year too - just like the Flu Jab
https://www.manningrivertimes.com.au/story/7237742/vaccine-hesitancy-puts-community-at-risk/?fbclid=IwAR17hPQPAmnPaaAVYNU1HoolWvabvNmhRpLX9j5SVIWLqmgYhnh_4mH2hIY
