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Klio
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6 months ago

Radiation Therapy Omission

Hello, 

I have been informed by a radiation oncologist that I am at a increased risk of developing radiation-induced fibrosis (RIF) from radiation therapy (RT) due to my having a connective tissue disorder. Following research around this I am currently weighing-up the risks and examining my options. I find the decision-making around this challenging and would like to invite members to share their experiences with:

  1. Decision-making around RT omission
  2. Experiences with RT omission
  3. Experiences with RIF e.g. immediate and late-onset effects

Please include as much detail as possible. All comments are appreciated.

Thank you,

🌷Klio

10 Replies

  • Hi maxis, I’m glad to hear your medical advice seemed reasonable and balanced. Considering your overall health picture and quality of life is paramount to getting the right outcome. 

    I’m so sorry to hear How much you are facing! With your own health issues and then caring for your dear very sick husband too. That’s a lot.  I’m holding you both in my heart and wishing for the most positive outcome possible. Life can be cruel, that’s for sure.

    I have been reading a post from Tanasha22 on this website about her experience with RT and how the side-effects didn’t show up until months and months later. When after the 6 weeks of treatment she seemed fine, she was simply told by the oncologist to ‘have a good life.’  He was clueless about what she later suffered due to treatment.

    Personally, from what you’ve said I’m glad you didn’t pursue RT. It could have left you with serious deficits and added health problems.

    There’s a lot of debate as to whether RT is necessary for DCIS, and it generally comes down to a number of things including age, family history, type and stage of the DCIS. I was about to take part in a trial when I was considered to have DCIS and that would have included the hospital sending a sample of my tumour to an overseas lab for testing. As I mentioned I got pulled off due to the invasive cancer finding by the Lab.

    Since that time I’ve read and heard numerous cases of the long term damage that RT can cause. I advise anyone to ask questions and seek out why it’s considered necessary, factually including the actual statistical improvement in your specific case, not generalisations.  RT is not to be considered lightly and to be considered only if really necessary.

    My own father-in-law had RT  following a finding of oesophagus cancer.  It was necessary and he lived for nearly 5 years afterwards. However, ultimately the RT damaged his oesophagus so badly, that it was ‘tearing like paper’ according to the Hospital he was later admitted to. Because he could not eat, at first solids, then almost anything,  his quality of life suffered tremendously. He lost interest in living, refused having a PEG tube in the stomach and died as a result. 

    So the RT bought him some years but it was not without its own life-limiting consequences.

    Hugs and more hugs!

  • Hi Klio​Bluebell-1​ , maxis​  and Hopeday​ , there seems to be more and more questions being raised within the medical community about the value of RT in certain BC situations. I have included an excerpt below from an online article published in January last Year and there are many scientific articles that have been published in the last couple of years debating the value of radiation in a number of different situations (please read below).

    My point is that you are all absolutely right to question the value of RT in your specific cases and get answers directly related to your personal situations. It’s impressive to see more and more women advocating for themselves. I didn’t and I regret it.

    “The purpose of radiation is to kill cancer cells in a targeted way. With breast cancer, it is often used after surgery to kill off any cancer cells that may remain in the breast or surrounding area.  But there are three main areas of debate about radiation all with the focus of reducing side effects while maximizing outcomes, says Dr. Chirag Shah, Director of Breast Radiation Oncology at the Cleveland Clinic Cancer Center. There’s the question of whether to radiate the whole breast versus partial breast radiation, there’s debate about whether some patients even need radiation at all, and there’s debate about which radiation techniques offer the best outcomes with the least side effects.”

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      maxis
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      FlatNina that was a very interesting read thank you. In 2024 my radiotherapist explained because my DCIS was slow growing and the tumour was small and oestrogen positive  studies in America and the UK had shown some women over 65 could omit radiotherapy after having a lumpectomy and by choosing to take Anastrazol or one of the other estrogen blockers for 5 years after surgery. He said in some countries the age was 70. From memory he mentioned in Australia the age was 70. I was 66 1/2. He also said without radiotherapy I had a 90% of no re occurrence in either 5 or 10 years I can't remember which. With radiotherapy I had a 96% of no re occurrence. When I had my 1st  proper consultation not the post op one with my surgeon she asked me what I chose do do. I told her and she said that is a reasonable choice. I was very concerned about how my life would be if my heart and or lungs were damaged by radiotherapy. I already have health issues and my husband has stage 4 rectal cancer and I am supporting him. Would I choose the same way again I think I would but I don't know. I did find an article on line by Harvard Health publishing ( Harvard medical school )on small, estrogen positive cancers that says similar to what my radiotherapist explained to me.

  • Hi Klio​ ,

    I have been diagnosed (by two rheumatologists) with undifferentiated connective tissue disorder, though my current rheumatologist has some doubts. I am interested to know what information you found about RT and how you navigated being informed enough to make a decision.

    I was only diagnosed last week, so have not yet had my first appointment with the surgeon.

  • Hi Kilo,

    I am new person to joining this group chat. Have had surgery on 14th August. My surgery went well with all the tumor successfully removed. However, my Oncologist recommended highly that I have RT and a bone density scan. I recently just completed CT scan as well. Prep for RT. After RT I will be put on Hormone blocking tablets for 5 years. I am so concerned that with so much scans, radiation are passing through my body over short period of time, so rapidly as well, will probably cause so much more damage to my cells that I can't see. Is that healthy process?

    I know I haven't felt my normal self since breast cancer diagnosis and post surgery. My wounds is still raw and my breast still hurting. But the nurse at the ICON tell me that there is a window of 4-6 weeks that RT must be done. My worry is that if the cancer is completely removed,  it would make sense to skip RT and go on Hormone blocking tablets.😔 I now understand from reading your comments you need to be over 70 years of age to be allowed that. I am in my 50's.

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      Klio
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      Hi Hopeday,

      Thank you for responding and welcome to the group chat. I am happy to hear that your surgery went well with the tumour successfully removed.

      I understand your concerns regarding the amount of scans required to ensure that the consultants are in the best position to diagnose; plan for and recommend the most suitable treatments for your case. While I am not medically trained, I understand that the CT scan used for the RT planning in my specific case was low dose and the DEXA scan dose was less than that of an Xray. I was informed that in the context of the routine scans they need to weigh-up the benefits against any risks. The best person to speak to about radiation risks from scanning procedures for your specific case is the radiation oncologist who are best placed to explain these risks.

      I hope that with each passing day your surgical wound improves and your pain subsides. I am glad to hear that the nurse is checking the healing. The nurse is absolutely there to listen and respond to any concerns that you may have around wound healing in preparation for RT. Alternatively McGrath Foundation nurses are available to contact for clinical, psychosocial and emotional support at no cost if you feel you would benefit from additional support.

      As I understand it, omitting RT is not standard practice.  Decisions around the suitability for omitting RT are complex and best made in consultation with your radiation oncologist. The comment you are referring to - that you need  to be over 70 years of age to omit RT - was not made by me but by Maxis (see below). I myself am not aware of this. I am aware however that some research trials are exploring omitting RT for those patients who meet strict eligibility criteria. Various age restrictions apply. For clarity it may help to reply to Maxis.

      It may be most helpful however to request an appointment with your radiation oncologist to answer any questions you might have in regard to RT and to discuss your concerns. They are best placed to provide you with the most uptodate information in the context of your particular case. 

      Hopeday thank you kindly for sharing your experience. Sending you positive healing energy.

      Klio 🌷

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        Hopeday
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        Hi Klio,

        Thanks for your advice. I did chat and sorted my problem out for the time being. My Oncologist postponing my RT for 4 weeks to end of October so my wound can heal. He too agree not the right time to proceed with RT with raw wound. I have also completed the Dexa bone scan and that was the most easiest procedure ever. The Dexa operator was really friendly and that helped a lot.

        Recently I go diagnosed with vertigo so I have been feeling great. Hence did not respond to your message. Special exercise and tablets with this treatment too.😞

        Thanks

        Hopeday

  • Hi Kilo 

    I weighed up RT omission for a different reason and chose not to go ahead with it. I had early breast cancer it was a slow growing 5mm mass and calcifications. My surgeon got good clearance with both after a lumpectomy. My oncologist recommended I take Anastrazole for 5 years and I am doing that. My Radiation technician told me I had 90 % chance of no return without radiotherapy and 96% chance of no return with radiotherapy. He also said there was a study done on early stage, low risk, oestrogen positive, slow growing cancers which says you can omit radiotherapy in patients over 65 in the USA and UK I think, I was in this category but, In Australia you must be over 70 from memory. I was already concerned about possible side effects of RT on my heart and lung. So having that information I felt comfortable choosing no radiotherapy. My surgeon said I made a reasonable decision.

    Do talk to your specialists again and see what they recommend, they are all there for you to get your best outcome. I hope all goes well.

    • Klio's avatar
      Klio
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      Hi Maxis,

      Appreciate you sharing your experience around RT omission. Thank you for providing the details of your case including some of the additional elements that informed your decision-making. 

      I value the expertise of the specialists. I am in the process of gathering as much information as possible and hope to connect with them again soon in regard to my next steps.

      Thank you again Maxis for the information and kind words.

      Wishing you all the very best.

      Klio🌷