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Needless to say it's hit us like a bus...","body@stringLength":"3394","rawBody":"
Hi all,
My wife's just been diagnosed with Invasive Ductal Carcinoma NST (Grade 2-3) ER+, PR+, HER2- with a 29mm tumour and at least 1 involved lymph node. Needless to say it's hit us like a bus and we're in that dark, foggy place pre-treatment where we have no idea what's coming up next.
That said, things have, luckily, moved pretty quickly since the first GP meeting for the initial pathology referral. In the 9 days since visiting the GP, we've had imaging with a mammogram and ultrasound which indicated suspicious findings, then 2 days later a biopsy, followed a day later by the meeting at the GP to get the bad news. Since then we've had our initial meeting with the surgeon at the RBWH, Dr Wong (who seemed very capable, but if anyone else has had him as their surgeon I would still love to hear more about your experience) and some of the MDT. We have our first meeting with Medical Oncology next Friday and the 2 week follow up with the MDT the following week.
During the initial discussion our doctor classified this as \"Early Stage\" cancer (something we're hanging hope on) and said that we would have a number of options for treatment. My wife's family has quite an extensive history of cancer (mostly breast, with some throat / ovarian), however her Mum was genetically tested years ago and is apparently BRCA negative. When asked what we would prefer as a treatment, we just said we'd rather have a double mastectomy to reduce any chances of recurrence later, however when Dr Wong came in, he had a good chat with us and asked if we were making decisions from an emotional place rather than a practical place. His suggestion is to pursue a neoadjuvent treatment course, followed by genetic testing and then surgery, which if the chemo was effective would possibly mean just a lumpectomy rather than a mastectomy as well as potentially saving some lymph nodes.
Unfortunately we're very sleep deprived and still in a bit of shock so we're not sure what to do. Basically we see it one of two ways:
1. Do the chemo, hope that it shrinks everything (or God-willing completely disappears it) while killing anything else that might be floating around, then do the surgery, then radiation if required.
2. Go the surgery, remove everything including lymph nodes, then hit hard with chemo and radiation if needed to try and smash anything that's left.
Honestly, I get the idea of \"patient-centered\" treatment where your opinions and wishes are taken into account, but I know if I had a client approach me as the subject matter expert for a highly technical quote on something they didn't know anything about and I asked them to tell me what they thought would be the best option, I wouldn't have a job. This sounds so dumb, but I just want to say something like \"wait a second, why are you asking us what treatment should be? Aren't you the expert???\" We want to be very positive and forward leaning with this journey and I feel like we have to have an element of trust in the MDT and the process, but could do with some perspective.
Sorry for the wall of text, I blame the lack of sleep!
My wife's just been diagnosed with Invasive Ductal Carcinoma NST (Grade 2-3) ER+, PR+, HER2- with a 29mm tumour and at least 1 involved lymph node. Needless to say it's hit us like a bus and we're in that dark, foggy place pre-treatment where we have no idea what's coming up next.
That said, things have, luckily, moved pretty quickly since the first GP meeting for the initial pathology referral. In the 9 days since visiting the GP, we've had imaging with a mammogram and ultrasound which indicated suspicious findings, then 2 days later a biopsy, followed a day later by the meeting at the GP to get the bad news. Since then we've had our initial meeting with the surgeon at the RBWH, Dr Wong (who seemed very capable, but if anyone else has had him as their surgeon I would still love to hear more about your experience) and some of the MDT. We have our first meeting with Medical Oncology next Friday and the 2 week follow up with the MDT the following week.
During the initial discussion our doctor classified this as \"Early Stage\" cancer (something we're hanging hope on) and said that we would have a number of options for treatment. My wife's family has quite an extensive history of cancer (mostly breast, with some throat / ovarian), however her Mum was genetically tested years ago and is apparently BRCA negative. When asked what we would prefer as a treatment, we just said we'd rather have a double mastectomy to reduce any chances of recurrence later, however when Dr Wong came in, he had a good chat with us and asked if we were making decisions from an emotional place rather than a practical place. His suggestion is to pursue a neoadjuvent treatment course, followed by genetic testing and then surgery, which if the chemo was effective would possibly mean just a lumpectomy rather than a mastectomy as well as potentially saving some lymph nodes.
Unfortunately we're very sleep deprived and still in a bit of shock so we're not sure what to do. Basically we see it one of two ways:
1. Do the chemo, hope that it shrinks everything (or God-willing completely disappears it) while killing anything else that might be floating around, then do the surgery, then radiation if required.
2. Go the surgery, remove everything including lymph nodes, then hit hard with chemo and radiation if needed to try and smash anything that's left.
Honestly, I get the idea of \"patient-centered\" treatment where your opinions and wishes are taken into account, but I know if I had a client approach me as the subject matter expert for a highly technical quote on something they didn't know anything about and I asked them to tell me what they thought would be the best option, I wouldn't have a job. This sounds so dumb, but I just want to say something like \"wait a second, why are you asking us what treatment should be? Aren't you the expert???\" We want to be very positive and forward leaning with this journey and I feel like we have to have an element of trust in the MDT and the process, but could do with some perspective.
Sorry for the wall of text, I blame the lack of sleep!
George
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In 'commuting' to BRWH, how far do you have to travel? Qld (and all states) have a 'Patient Travel & Accommodation Scheme' that helps reimburse fuel & some accommodation costs for patients having to travel 100k or more for treatment .... the hospital will have the forms that both your GP & Specialist will have to fill in.
Your wife will be seeing the surgeon at least once a year for 5 years for continued 'surveillance' (which is good for peace of mind) and to bring up any other concerns she may have .... so she'll be seeing the Medical Onc & Rad Onc on a more regular basis over the next year whilst her active treatment continues (and for 5 years too, often just yearly for the last 2-3) ...
There is a wonderful organisation called OTIS (https://www.otisfoundation.org.au/directory) who have 'holiday homes' available to those with BC and their families to visit for a bit of a treat ... check it out & start looking into it, as it can take some months to arrange a booking .... so you have a 'treat' to look forward to, after active treatment (chemo/radiation) is finished xx
take care & all the best
","body@stringLength":"1386","rawBody":"@byo_boy .... If you add you 'general location' to your profile ... members may be able to steer you to different services that may be available, closer to you.
In 'commuting' to BRWH, how far do you have to travel? Qld (and all states) have a 'Patient Travel & Accommodation Scheme' that helps reimburse fuel & some accommodation costs for patients having to travel 100k or more for treatment .... the hospital will have the forms that both your GP & Specialist will have to fill in.
Your wife will be seeing the surgeon at least once a year for 5 years for continued 'surveillance' (which is good for peace of mind) and to bring up any other concerns she may have .... so she'll be seeing the Medical Onc & Rad Onc on a more regular basis over the next year whilst her active treatment continues (and for 5 years too, often just yearly for the last 2-3) ...
There is a wonderful organisation called OTIS (https://www.otisfoundation.org.au/directory) who have 'holiday homes' available to those with BC and their families to visit for a bit of a treat ... check it out & start looking into it, as it can take some months to arrange a booking .... so you have a 'treat' to look forward to, after active treatment (chemo/radiation) is finished xx
take care & all the best
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