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positive3negati
9 years agoMember
Vaginal atrophy. Why didn't someone warn me?
There’s a long list of things nobody warns you about when you go through cancer treatment. It is fairly well known that chemotherapy, radiation therapy and significant surgery all carry risks and side effects but when your life hangs in the balance most people will agree to anything. I did.
My biggest shocks were the residual peripheral neuropathy, the brain fog, the extent to which losing my nipples impacted my intimacy, and the way chemotherapy slams you into menopause. Think ten hot sweats a night that are so bad I needed to keep towels under me and change them.
The neuropathy has been accommodated. It’s just like having mild pins and needles in your hands and feet and as long as I keep warm it’s not too painful. The brain fog has taken some work, but I have recovered my pre-cancer brain. The hot sweats have subsided to one or two a night and they are much less sever. I have grieved the loss of my nipples. Acceptance is the only help there.
My last visit to the GP included a regular pap smear. ‘You have evidence of vaginal atrophy’ he told me in that voice that sounds like he’s reporting the weather. Cloudy with a chance of incontinence and infection. I’d never heard of it before. It’s apparently a common side effect of menopause and like all other treatment related symptoms, it has arrived with a vengeance.
I hit the internet (of course) and discovered that vaginal atrophy can make intercourse difficult and painful, urinary incontinence more likely and can also increase the incidence of thrush and urinary tract infection. Oh joy! I also noticed something that wasn’t anywhere on the internet. It’s really difficult to find a toilet paper that doesn’t suddenly shed and leave a residue. This product is obviously designed for a self-lubricating vagina and nobody has thought to let manufacturers know about post-menopausal difficulties with their products.
The usual treatment for vaginal atrophy is apparently some kind of hormonal cream or hormone replacement therapy, but having had breast cancer (even the non-hormonal kind) my doctor wasn’t keen. He recommended a non-hormonal vaginal lubricant available from the chemist. It’s inserted using a plastic tube every three or so days. It costs about three dollars per tube. Unfortunately it doesn’t reverse vaginal atrophy. It just makes things a bit more comfortable. It is also sticky and might all come out at once when you least expect it. It’s better than nothing but not ideal.
One site I found recommended sex or masturbation on a daily basis. Ah the bitter irony that menopause chews up libido and spits out sexual activity as a treatment for side effects. My previously healthy interest in orgasms has been reduced to an occasional distraction. My husband and I are still loving and affectionate but like so many others in our position, intimacy has become more important than intercourse.
Meanwhile, my ability to urinate has become complicated. Clearly good vaginal lubrication was part of the whole process working properly and I now find myself trying to figure out how to keep the flow heading downwards and not across my thighs. I know this is odd and perhaps distasteful stuff to write about but that is exactly why I’m going there. It’s good to know you’re not alone.
Recently I was looking for a good gynaecologist (for someone else) and came across an article about laser therapy for vaginal atrophy. The same technology that is used to improve your wrinkles can be used to improve the tone and thickness of the vaginal walls. After months of enduring the slow collapse of my vaginal tone I headed back to my GP to ask him about it. “Oh yes, apparently it’s quite effective,” he tells me, as I resist the urge to growl at him for not giving me information about this treatment six months ago. Does he just assume I don’t plan on using my vagina anymore?
The treatment is marketed in Australia as Mona Lisa Touch Therapy. I’m amused to think that it’s supposed to give me an enigmatic smile as well as a return to vaginal health. It will involve an initial visit with a gynaecologist to determine if I am ‘suitable’ for the treatment at a cost (after rebate) of around $170. If I’m approved as suitable, each laser treatment will cost (after rebate) around $260. I should see some improvement after the first treatment but for the optimal result three treatments are recommended. I haven’t checked, but I’m guessing my health fund will not pick up the slack. I still think it’s worth having. I’m booked in for my initial visit next Monday.
I’ll keep you posted on the results.
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- Cath62Member@MovinOn you post about all the other side effects you are experiencing is something you really need to talk to your oncologist about. They can help you with what you are experiencing.
- WOW! Hi everyone! I haven't been here in ages. Please know that I've now passed my ten year mammaversary and I am fit and well. Please know that I had triple negative breast cancer, so comments about the impact of medications aren't relevant to me and I wish I could offer more. Triple negative doesn't have any ongoing medication. You just have to take your chances. I've used yoga, mindfulness, diet, exercise and laughter to decrease my risk of recurrence. So far, so good!Please know that since writing this piece all those years ago I have discovered the Joylux site and purchased their vaginal rejuvenation product and that it is a total GAME CHANGER! (No, I am not in any way affiliated and no, I do not receive and kick backs; this is just an honestly enthusiastic recommendation).This produce uses LED light, much like the facial treatments you can get at expensive beauticians, but built into a device that you insert into your vagina three times a week for a few minutes. I found it because I signed up for an app that promised to help with pelvic floor exercises and urinary incontinence (another side effect of vaginal atrophy) and when I got to the end of the very helpful exercise the woman that put the app together had a recommendation for this product. I did a bit of research, purchased one and I am VERY happy with it. It's honestly like having my 20 year old vagina back again!The product is expensive, but not compared to Mona Lisa Touch treatment which needs to be repeated. I noticed improvement in my atrophy within weeks. I've also experienced a surprising recovery of my libido and an enhanced orgasmic response. Yep. I'm a fan!Downsides, apart from the cost, are that it's not waterproof, which is surprising given that waterproof sex toys are so common (don't ask me how I know ;) but apart from that it's been amazing.
- AfraserMemberThese seem to be extreme reactions - how is your oncologist treating theses side effects?
- MovinOnMemberI started taking Tamoxifen on the 2nd, using a pill cutter to split the 10mg dose into 5mg.
TEN DAYS and my clitoris is almost nothing, and my labia has shrunk too. TEN DAYS!
I haven't slept properly since I started taking it (even with valium, melatonin or Quetiapine). My hair is falling out in handfuls, my skin is easily broken and I'm covered in bruises. I have had the worst PMS since I was a teenager. I can't concentrate well, and feel like I'm in a fog at times. I've lost two kilos in these ten days due to the nausea. So far, the hot flushes have been brief, and occur mostly at night, but my body temperature is now a full degree higher than it used to be (I was on the low side). My moods are extreme, exhausting and cause me shame - I worked so hard in therapy to be better, I obviously am not.
I've got cording in my arm and extending around my back. I've been seeing a physio for that, but it means I can't ride my motorcycle - which is my mindfulness time. The only time I can fully let go of everything and be "right here, right now." - Mez_BCNACommunity Manager@MovinOn thankyou for expressing openly and honestly about the challenges you are experiencing. You may want to reach out to the Helpline 1800 500 258 to chat about counselling support that may be of benefit to you during this time
- AfraserMemberWhoa! You sound as if you have had a lousy time, with too many difficulties and challenges, and now BC. That’s hard and unfair but it does not mean you aren’t worth anything! If sex is a substitute for love and respect, then maybe it’s worth hanging out for love and respect. @Cath62 is telling the truth, you will care if cancer comes back. Talk to your GP about a counsellor, soon, as there is support available to deal with this and the other hurts and pain you are carrying. Cancer is not good, but, just sometimes, it can push us to rethink what we want our life to be, rather than just accept what it is. That road is a hard one too but it leads somewhere and you can find some support to walk it.
- Cath62Member@MovinOn your post is sad. If your BF won't stick around then I don't think that is being a good BF. And if it's only sex keeping him there, even if you had heaps of sex, he would leave gor some other reason eventually.
Sure sex is fun and part of a relationship but there are products and different ways to explore expressing love and intimacy. Have you listened to Charlotte Tottenham podcast on this topic? It is so helpful.
Please don't say you don't care if the cancer comes back. You will, you definitely will. As someone dealing with mets, I guarantee you that you won't want cancer back. Talk to your dr, talk to a counsellor but do not go off your meds just only to give sex to a BF - who may or may not stay with you. - MovinOnMemberI'm just going to stop Tamoxifen. I don't care if the cancer comes back, I don't want to live in a sexual desert. No one ever ever said out loud that this even could happen.
I don't see the point in living a life that sucks. My whole life, when I hated myself, when I was broke and struggling, when I was an alcoholic, I could at least get sex as a substitute for love and intimacy. When my BF asks me to leave due to no sex (and I won't blame him, he did not sign up for celibacy, and I am not able to let him have sex with other people) I have nothing of any value to offer anyone. - AfraserMember@Movingon
’Vaginal dryness’ is the only clue I got and it really doesn’t quite cut it. There are things that may help - a loss of libido
is harder to resolve but dryness can be counteracted. There’s a group - Let’s talk about vaginas - on this site that can share some positive information about lubrication and medication. Some oncologists are helpful on this, others not so. Your GP
may be more helpful. Worst case, what are your options about tamoxifen? And don’t let anyone tell you it’s caused by something else - I was on Letrozole and it happened almost as quickly! Luckily my long term partner is understanding and also inventive! Best wishes. - MovinOnMemberMy clitoris has almost gone in one week of Tamoxifen. No one told me I'd lose my ability to have sex. I wish I'd never had that stupid mammogram. This is not a life I want to live. My BF is not going to stay around for this.