Thanks Fran I am having the 24 hour injection tomorrow (hence another night in the house of pain) The vein thing is a bit of a s...t isn't it, I mean with all the stuff that goes on, bone scans (injections) pet scans (ohh injections that make you think you've weed your pants) heart xray injections (two ten minutes apart and sting like buggery!) blood tests prior surgery, blood tests prior chemo, blood tests prior herceptin - I feel like a bloody pin cushion (lookin' like a junkie!) I am scared to have a drink in case all this water comes spurting out of every needle hole - I can picture it now, saying to shocked on-lookers and nursing staff - me sheepishly grinning as water spurts in every direction and me saying "I really think you have gone too far this time guys!" x x x hugs and love to you all x x x Josie