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- VangirlMember@Zoffiel hahahahaha :smiley:
I feel the same when I think about eating dead animal parts.
***Runs away at speed before an omnivore vs vegetarian spat can begin*** - ZoffielMember
Confusing indeed, what to make of the first link (specifically section 7) We are more likely to survive if we consume soy, but also more likely to get the disease? My poor brain, I think I'll have to leave processing that piece of information for another life. Like all things cancer related there are so many studies and so many interpretations of the results. Force feeding rats soy for months is not the same as people eating it as part of a diverse diet.
I'm sure there are things that I have done and still do--like carry an extra 10kgs of fat on my carcass--, that are going to put me at a higher risk than eating the odd bit of tofu ***pulls face and gags*** or putting soy milk on my cereal ***more spitting*** My oncologist quite rightly points out that the amount of soy present in 'soy milk' is very small and that you would have to consume a huge amount to ingest significant amounts of phyto-oestrogens. His opinion is that common sense should prevail and, particularly for vegetarians who want to keep their protein consumption at an appropriate level, the benefits of a generally healthy diet probably out weigh the risks of eating moderate amounts of soy.
- primekMemberI missed the full study link
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2981011/
But it's 8 years old. I'm sure I've read more recent research papers but can't find them. - LorraineBMember@Vangirl I am arimidex for ten years. I am finding ways of managing most of the side effects, its the fatigue which I find the hardest. It is so frustrating.
Thank you @primek that is the problem, confusing and contradicting statements and reports. 'While soy foods may have a protective effect, there is also some evidence that phyto-oestrogens might stimulate the growth of existing hormone-dependent cancers.'
I think I will take the advice from the blog post 'So, go ahead and order up your favorite spicy tofu dish without concerns that it may put you at risk of anything more than indigestion.' - VangirlMemberThanks @primek, interesting reading.
I'm not a heavy soy consumer but I like my soy milk in cereal and smoothies. I'll put this down as something to discuss with my oncologist next appointment. - primekMemberCancer councils confusing statement
https://wiki.cancer.org.au/policy/Position_statement_-_Soy,_phyto-oestrogens_and_cancer_prevention
Then this is interesting
https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight/2018/01/soy-breast-cancer-connection/
And then the full study.
I'm lactose intolerant. I have 1 cup of soy a day in a latte. And try to limit to that. I wouldn't consider using any supliments of phyto-estrogen just in case. - VangirlMember@LorraineB a couple of tagged threads should be with you.
I'm going to be joining the club no-one wants to be in myself shortly - I will need to take Letrozole or anastrozole (Arimidex). Not looking forward to it one iota! - LorraineBMemberThank you @Vangirl If it is due to the arimidex there is not much I can do about it I suppose. Just add it to the list of side of effects I have to live with.
I haven't seen the letrozole thread. I will check it out. - VangirlMemberHi @LorraineB it's quite possible that the Arimidex is contributing to the fatigue - it's a common side effect apparently. There is a thread about Letrozole which is a very similar drug. Many of the ladies here are struggling with the side effects, especially fatigue. Will tag you in, with apologies if you have already checked it out.
- LorraineBMember@Vangirl and @Sister I had chemo, surgery and radiation back in 2015, finished herceptin March 2016. I am on arimidex now, not sure if that is contributing to the fatigue..
I am seeing a dietitian through the ICan program unfortunately the few changes she has had me make haven't helped a great deal