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MandaMoo
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The joy of Oral chemo

It's been a while...  Seeing Celeste's udate I though I would add my own and share some positive news in what at times is an overwhelmingly shitty "journey".

I  too had scan results a couple of weeks ago.  I was feeling pretty positive as my skin met had responded so dramatically to the xeloda but as I have always been asymptomatic in my lungs I didn't know what to expect.  Well, the GREAT news is that I have had a very impressive response.  After 2 1/2 cycles of Xeloda and Tykerb I have seen a substantial reduction in most of my lung mets, my axilla node is nowhere to be found and my skin met is a mere pale pinkness on my breast.  I asked my onc if any mets were gone and she said many, many were gone and the radiologist was gobsmacked and wondered what wonder drug I was on... Just Xeloda and Tykerb - I responded to something routine! I have never seen a met disappear - I've only had stable or progression so this is a good result.  

My joy is tempered with reality that this may stop being effective but for a few days I relished the fact that the cancer finally responded and retreated! We are hoping I may get 18months-2 years out of this combination.

I have reduced dosage a little as the fatigue was incredible and I had GI issues and then started to get "the" rash.  The new dosage seems to be fine and completely tolerable.  My skin is still crap - dry as a desert but the hand foot so far isn't too bad and the bottom side of things only flares every now and again and if I avoid some foods is negligible. 

The other Joy is that the treatment is all oral - no hospitals! Woohoo!  No sick people, no depressing blue/grey chairs, no disinfectent smells, no time wasted sitting in a chair indoor when the sun is shining outside! All Good.

So, what does this mean?  I don't know, the oncs don't seem to know most of the time either - such is the hit and miss nautre of oncology.  If A doesn't work let's try B, If A and B don't work maybe C will - oh look C is working!  Maybe if we add C to A and B it will be even better and so on and on....  

I'll share a few other thoughts as I want the stories of women with Advanced BC to be out there and not hidden in secret groups for fear of upsetting the "early" girls.  We all have to be in this together and my story is as valid as anyone else's early or not. If you are uncomfortable reading my story about advanced breast cancer and it's unique challenges then please, feel free not to read.

I had an experience in February where another BC mum I met locally emailed me to say she had just found out she had secondaries (she had just completed treatment for EBC at the end of last year) - she died 9 days later - this completely knocked me for 6! We never had this on our radar.  We know that this disease is likely to end my life but I have been very focused on managing it as a chronic illness for the long term.  My friend's death, leaving 2 young children sent me into a spin.  How likely was this scenario for me? I asked my oncologist for a prognosis (I've never asked and she's never offered) - thankfully she wouldn't give me one but did promise to tell me when she felt things were turning for the worse and it was likely that I had less than 12 months. I am so fortunate to have the oncologist that I have, to have someone willing to work with me, someone talks about what we can do next, what the new developments are rather than doom and gloom that others get. I went to my new friend's funeral, I cried a load of tears, I laughed, sang and thought about my own funeral.  I answered my children's questions about her death, I cried with them and wiped tears with them when they worried about me dying. I learned more about being alive and living right now and shared that with my children. Someone known for such a short time but who taught me valuable lessons.

The other news is I have been diagnosed with osteoporosis.  Seems early menopause and family /genetic factors have seen that I now have osteoporosis in my spine, osteopenia in my hip and likely disease elsewhere.  So now we have to work out how to treat it.  Luckily again my oncologist is anticipating that I will be here for a while yet and figures it is worth treating me.  She also sent me to see my breast surgeon to check my other breast - he was a little surprised and said that he guessed she figured I wasn't going anywhere yet as most oncologists once you were ABC don't worry about things like cancer in the other breast. That's one of the other things about having ABC - many consider you "terminal" and by definition we are, but so is everyone, we all die of something.  Given Stage 4 status the little things to some don't matter anymore - i've never worried much about my manky boob but noone even discusses it anymore - when it was EBC all the talk was of reconstruction and moving on.  Now, no one care that I have a ridiculous looking breast, that at 39 I am in menopause so intimacy and the reduced ability to enjoy it has become an issue - no one cares - you are alive at the moment - be thankful!  I am, I would do just about anything to be here for my kids but I do understand how people get tired and say "enough". I am nowhere near that yet but I have had times when the side effects have seen me wonder whether I can go on like this indefinitely for my family ?  The feelings are fleeting thankfully and the side effects under control but I get it now.  There is never an end in sight to treatment - never an end in sight to the chemo, the side effects.  I am only now realising that this is my life from now on for however long it may me.  I think I always Hoped I would be one of the 2-4% who achieve a long term remission - I now realise that if I manage to stay alive for more than 3 years that i will have achieved something significant. I realised the other day that I may never feel vital and young again.  I know this happens to all of us but it has been thrust upon me.  I still have friends having babies and I am menopausal and can't even contemplate seeing my children finish school sometimes. I feel robbed. 

But for all of this - I am not on a downer, it's just that this disease is so present, it infliltrates every aspect of my life, my relationships, my family, my finances, my hobbies - I cannot think of an area in my life that is free of cancer. 

So for now I am thankful for regression of the cancer, for the freedom of oral chemo, for the happy reality that I am still asymptomatic, for the ongoing efforts of researchers, for waking up this morning and riding my bike to the park with my son in the sunshine.  It is good to be alive. 

A xx

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  • Once again you have proven to me how courageous you are.  It is very hard to put to words how impressed I am with your strength without "patronising" you.  You know how confident, strong, courageous, stubborn and all those things you are.  I like to think that I am as well.  Every word you say will help someone.  Every story you tell will help someone.  For those of us willing to take this step, this is what will help others in the future.  Yes it might be scarey for EBC girls to read however it is reality.  I will now tell you a story.  I met a lady over 5 years ago at my first diagnosis.  She had had EBC 8 years earlier and was leading a wonderful life within the BC "community" and beyond. A great ambassador helping out without other charities as well.  (A mad dragonboater too)  She showed us "new"  girls that there was life to be had.  Two years later she was diagnosed with EBC in her other breast and had a mastectomy.  She got over this very quickly and even attended the Brisbane International Breast Cancer Convention a few weeks later.  Life went on - extremely busy for this lady.  Always going somewhere with family and doing everything for others.  Well for a couple of months she was a "bit off" - not her old self.  Then a couple of weeks ago she was diagnosed with bone mets.  She is presently going through tests to see how intense it is.  This has really knocked me as she is my age and I have used her as a "benchmark".  Every day I use as a bonus knowing that one day this could be me. (My family get really annoyed if I happen to say anything like this as they think my BC is gone forever!)  Unfortunately  all ABC's live "with a time bomb. Some days that "time bomb" gets lower and heavier but for the rest of the time I try and live "in denial" to get through.  I am off to have my first mammo and ultrasound next month (18 months since my  diagnosis of secondaries) and I am scared stiff on one hand and am armed with my fighting gear with the other.  Amanda, I feel so sad that you feel that your youth and vigour has been robbed.  Your wisdom far outweighs your physical incapacities.  I love your posts and you inspire me to be stronger than ever.  There are so many stories and I love hearing them and also relating the ones I know. :)XLeonie

  • Hi Amanda,

    Great news! You have been such an inspiration to us all with everything you have been through. At last some good news. You deserve it. Stay positive and enjoy every moment.

    Take care and thank you for being so honest and up front with your posts.

    Alison xxx

  • Hi Amanda, congratulations on the good news, that is so great.

    I too lost a short term friend to BC in January.  She had been free of it for 10+ years.  In August last year it came back only in small amounts and then in January she was hospitalised with lung problems and had 3 massive heart attacks and passed away.  She was 43 and left two sons.  When I was rushed in for the pleurodesis later in January, I thought that it was going to be my time.  Thankfully I came through but apparently only just.

    I get exactly where you are coming from with your story.  Many of those thoughts have been mine too.  One of the ladies that I used to work with came into work one day very excited that her daughter was getting married.  It was all very romantic the way he proposed and it is going to be like the wedding of the century.  I was very excited for them as I have known her daughter for quite a number of years and felt so pleased for them.  I raced home after work to share the news with my girls.  When I opened the door, I shouted "Guess what" but then when I looked at my three daughters sitting there looking at me, I had to run from the room.  All I could think of was that this was something that ABC will probably deprive me of, my daughters weddings.  It took me about a month to be able to tell them the exciting news because everytime I started, I would think of their weddings.

    I don't like to think I will give up but as you sayyou can get to a point where the question pops into your head, how much more of this can I do?

    My oncologist is also encouraging like yours.  He has never given me a "time" he says we will wait and see how you react to the treatment as there are many people who live with ABC for a number of years.  I have always been grateful for his response.  Now I just annoy him with the question "Are there still options?" 

    My last scans showed no new disease and he is thinking that maybe the medication (Xeloda) caused a spike in my marker so we wait again for about a month and see what the blood tests say.  When I look at the blood tests the only thing that ever seems to be up is the marker all the other things are normal.  Sometimes I find that frustrating.  But at least the results were better than we thought although they do think I cracked a rib from a cold I managed to catch after the pleurodesis operation.  Had a lot of coughing so they think that is what happened.

    But you know what, we can prove all the statistics wrong.  I am one and I know there are many more out there.  I wasn't supposed to be here 12 months from diagnosis and then they thought three years was pushing it.  Here it is 6.5 years later and I am still here annoying my oncologist and anyone else I can find.  So even when we have bad days, if we can recognise that we are down then that is half the battle.  We just need to remember to pick ourselves up before it keeps us there.

    I hope I haven't been to down on here but I think we all have our stories that someone else will recognise.

    SO happy for you Amanda and I keep you in my thoughts.

    Take care.

    Tracey xx

  • Hi Amanda, congratulations on the good news, that is so great.

    I too lost a short term friend to BC in January.  She had been free of it for 10+ years.  In August last year it came back only in small amounts and then in January she was hospitalised with lung problems and had 3 massive heart attacks and passed away.  She was 43 and left two sons.  When I was rushed in for the pleurodesis later in January, I thought that it was going to be my time.  Thankfully I came through but apparently only just.

    I get exactly where you are coming from with your story.  Many of those thoughts have been mine too.  One of the ladies that I used to work with came into work one day very excited that her daughter was getting married.  It was all very romantic the way he proposed and it is going to be like the wedding of the century.  I was very excited for them as I have known her daughter for quite a number of years and felt so pleased for them.  I raced home after work to share the news with my girls.  When I opened the door, I shouted "Guess what" but then when I looked at my three daughters sitting there looking at me, I had to run from the room.  All I could think of was that this was something that ABC will probably deprive me of, my daughters weddings.  It took me about a month to be able to tell them the exciting news because everytime I started, I would think of their weddings.

    I don't like to think I will give up but as you sayyou can get to a point where the question pops into your head, how much more of this can I do?

    My oncologist is also encouraging like yours.  He has never given me a "time" he says we will wait and see how you react to the treatment as there are many people who live with ABC for a number of years.  I have always been grateful for his response.  Now I just annoy him with the question "Are there still options?" 

    My last scans showed no new disease and he is thinking that maybe the medication (Xeloda) caused a spike in my marker so we wait again for about a month and see what the blood tests say.  When I look at the blood tests the only thing that ever seems to be up is the marker all the other things are normal.  Sometimes I find that frustrating.  But at least the results were better than we thought although they do think I cracked a rib from a cold I managed to catch after the pleurodesis operation.  Had a lot of coughing so they think that is what happened.

    But you know what, we can prove all the statistics wrong.  I am one and I know there are many more out there.  I wasn't supposed to be here 12 months from diagnosis and then they thought three years was pushing it.  Here it is 6.5 years later and I am still here annoying my oncologist and anyone else I can find.  So even when we have bad days, if we can recognise that we are down then that is half the battle.  We just need to remember to pick ourselves up before it keeps us there.

    I hope I haven't been to down on here but I think we all have our stories that someone else will recognise.

    SO happy for you Amanda and I keep you in my thoughts.

    Take care.

    Tracey xx

  • Hi Mandamoo

    Your story made me cry......... which isn't a bad thing, none of what you said is a bad thing.  Your strength is overwhelming and I applaud you for your honesty and telling it as it is cause unfortunately walking around on egg shells and fluffing it all up doesn't get the message out there. 

    I thank you for making me realise that yes I am lucky to be alive, sometimes it gets tough but I have so much to live for so just get through it and come out the other side the best way to can. 

    I have not had to endure anything compared to you and so many other wonderful pink ladies out there but you are an inspiration to us all and I agree with you 110% that is is important that you get it out there for us all to be aware.  I believe the more aware, the more knowledge, the more information we have, it gives us  the opportunity to have and to be given the better chance  to fight and continue to fight as long as we possibly can.

    I hope you take all your positives, all the good news, all the joy you recieve from your children family and freinds, plus all that beautiful sunshine and even the cold and rainy days we have and you run with it.

    I thank you and I respect you for your honesty.  I wish you nothing but the best of everything to come your way.  Good luck.

    Michxo

  • Hi Mandamoo

    Your story made me cry......... which isn't a bad thing, none of what you said is a bad thing.  Your strength is overwhelming and I applaud you for your honesty and telling it as it is cause unfortunately walking around on egg shells and fluffing it all up doesn't get the message out there. 

    I thank you for making me realise that yes I am lucky to be alive, sometimes it gets tough but I have so much to live for so just get through it and come out the other side the best way to can. 

    I have not had to endure anything compared to you and so many other wonderful pink ladies out there but you are an inspiration to us all and I agree with you 110% that is is important that you get it out there for us all to be aware.  I believe the more aware, the more knowledge, the more information we have, it gives us  the opportunity to have and to be given the better chance  to fight and continue to fight as long as we possibly can.

    I hope you take all your positives, all the good news, all the joy you recieve from your children family and freinds, plus all that beautiful sunshine and even the cold and rainy days we have and you run with it.

    I thank you and I respect you for your honesty.  I wish you nothing but the best of everything to come your way.  Good luck.

    Michxo

  • Hi Amanda

    Glad to hear that you've got some positive news at last.  What you write encapsulates everything that I too feel.  I am grateful to be alive too but also know I will never feel like my old self which is something I also mourn.  Mostly, though I am upbeat.   I still believe in miracles and hope that one day I will get a scan with no sign of cancer.  If I don't, then I hope that I at least will get lots more years to spend with my family.

    Enjoy your family, enjoy the sunshine and thanks for sharing with us.

    Amy x

  • Hi Amanda Thanks for your post. Its fantastic news and I was happy hear you recieved some positive news when you least expected it. Something that doesn't happen often when you have secondaries. I hope the oral chemo keeps destroying those nasty horrible cancer cells. Your story gives me hope. Jenny x
  • Dear Amanda,

    Thanks for your post - honest, happy and sad at the same time. Perhaps the best we with abc can hope for, but certainly of great value all the same. Glad to hear you are free of the dreaded hospital environment for the time being at least. Clearly the system was not designed by regular users!

    Enjoy the last of autumn and may all continue well for you.

    Best wishes..... Pam