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mona63
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12 years ago

Grade 2 infiltrating ductal

My story starts with being quite overdue for a mammagram which i had on 31st july; never expecting anything to happen--the tests-mammagram and ultrasound  took quite awhile and even when i was told to see my gp later in the day it didnt really hit me that anything too amiss could be wrong.  

My lovely gp made a great referral to  a well known female surgeon who did this little trick where she didnt look at the mammagram and ultrasound report but first looked at the images and talked me through what she was noticing--several sections were deemed nothinng to be bothered about but her findings matched the report -except for only one lump being of 'concern'.  She asked me to do two tests with her hospital-biospy and nuclear dye test for lymph node.  Both were done in a few days time and the nuclear dye one was shceduled for the night before my operation.  

At this point what really worked for me was that i have a long relationship with my gp who has great referral sources and she was able to get me early to see a great surgeon who also only wanted me to see her biospy specialist and nuclear team--all women so far, so good..

My results were given to me in later august and my surgeon 

infiltrating ductal breast cancer

grade 2  20mm

one lymph node 0.8 mm

er postiive

pr postiive

her2 negative

also spoke that the 3 oncologists consulted on my results recommended chemo and radiation therapy.  I fainted twice and felt a mixture of dread, fear and embarrsement! The week later i had a day off to just let it sink in and my fear of chemotherapy was worst then dying but in that week i did realise that i would need to do this obviously if three oncologists were advising this.  A very long week later i presented to a oncologist -first male in this process..not connected to the private hospital and after agonsizing small talk--he says--chemotherapy is overused in my clinical picture and says surgery has probably done all thats needed, but lets do radiation and given my results, hormonal treatment is what is needed; perhps..but only slight hint of suggestion-that maybe hysterectomy may be needed given my age.  I remember entertaining the slight notion that an oncologist may not recommend chemo and  i thought- could i cope with this given most of the information i had seemed to assume chemotherapy was 'best practice'--well the answer is that instantly my anxiety just dropped and i thought 'i can do this' --

then the long wait for radiation at a cancer specialising hospital; this wait seemed even worse after the surgeon seeing me at 7.30 and the speed of everything else and then i became anxious again--waiting seemed to be easier if you had 'chemo' on board but i was 'only' having radiation therapy ...i called and the hosptial although pleasant were firm-- i checked if there were private radiation places and got worked up

At this point i really felt that my treatment --from sites such as this one and american sites-- was really kind of fringe --and not helped by everyone around me assuming chemotherapy.  I did google some research sites that said removal of lumps was just as successful as mascetomies and surgery and radiation were best practices but i still wondered if this had got filtered down to real practice.  

Started radiation in mid Ocotober --not quiet the walk in the park as fatigue set in -thankfully i organised tow weeks off and so far in the 'journey'  i have taken 3 weeks off work--and last week i had a good conversation about my 'fringe' status with kmy breast cancer treatment and the doctor looked amazed--she ..again got to love all this female energy ..says there are no oncologists at this huge hospital that would recommend chemotherapyor mascetomies  in my case..and i am not on any fringe...that my treatment is 'standard'...

At this point im glad my surgeon didnt play it safe and refer me to private hospital colleagues, and im glad i have had time to process that fear and it didnt overly impact on my treatment

i havent had scans, blood tests and the like. i did have a bowel test but only as it came free in the mail and apparently a belated 50th bday gift from the government..and a papsmear test as that is also two years overdue; they were fine. I did have a scan when one of my ribs was noticed to be bigger...guess what its always been bigger...so im working on that everything is going to be ok ...and accept when that 'worry' comes up...

This is my story so far--so far there only seems to be a few active women on this site who are similiar to me--but i know they are out there --with hair probably...we are probably not going to make it as ambassadors, or motivational speakers...or make the front page of the local newspaper but with kerry ann kennelly as our role model we will have our voice!!!

 

  • I spent a lot of time after my diagnosis just reading older blogs on here. It is all part of gathering the info and considering what makes sense for your own situation. We should all feel that we can share our views on here. Hope things are going well for you. Deanne xxx
  • As usual Deanne your reply is very well written and spot on. I researched my treatment and realised that I needed to listen to the experts, do my homework and do everything in my power to have the optimum outcome.

    I, like you want to know that in the future if the cancer returns I did everything humanly possible to stop a reoccurence.

    I would have been 'lost at sea' without all the help I have received from this website and of course if the majority of BC sufferers have chemo then the numbers will be reflected in the posts on this website. 

    I suppose that is the beauty of living in a democratic society.  We all have the right to our own opinions and to respect the opinions of others.

    I realise this is an old post but felt compelled to  let you know that your contributions are valued and I enjoy reading yours posts.

  • I'm unsure as to whether this is a put down of BCNA or this forum - I thibnk that it is a great place to get information, share stories and ideas, and to just have someone else to talk to who understands where you are at. I have never felt that it was attempting to encourage chemo or any treatment for that matter. If there are a swathe of people who only need lumpectomy and radiation, (I was nearly one until the HER2 test) and they don't post here, or offer their stories it is hardly the fault of the site or the organisation. Maybe many don't feel the need for support. Or aren't comfortable posting on the web. Who knows ?

    It's a place to share and feel understood, to be comforted and to be informed.

    I for one would not have got through without the multiple shoulders to lean on.

    magicmum

  • I'm unsure as to whether this is a put down of BCNA or this forum - I thibnk that it is a great place to get information, share stories and ideas, and to just have someone else to talk to who understands where you are at. I have never felt that it was attempting to encourage chemo or any treatment for that matter. If there are a swathe of people who only need lumpectomy and radiation, (I was nearly one until the HER2 test) and they don't post here, or offer their stories it is hardly the fault of the site or the organisation. Maybe many don't feel the need for support. Or aren't comfortable posting on the web. Who knows ?

    It's a place to share and feel understood, to be comforted and to be informed.

    I for one would not have got through without the multiple shoulders to lean on.

    magicmum

  • Thanks for that.  I'm not against chemo in early stage breast cancer --as you say all sorts of variables; some of them being psychological ones.  There is a need for rational thoughts but i defy anyone to stay purely in that with this.  I would ideally like to see a range of interventions -ie i think its fine to remove a breast mainly due to 'fear' of one day it apppearing there...but when bcna is involved with selcting women to talk about their experiences how about offering a range  of experiences; including a woman who used..say mindfulness or yoga or whatever to deal with that fear.  If you didnt have breast cancer or if you did--how comforting would it be to sit there and go im glad there are different possiblities with treatment and some wil be dictated by biological and some will be around 'choice'.  

    Personally like other people here; i am 'happy' with my treatment and would recommend it; but i would have found it helpful to be on this website with 'lots' of other women in my treatment modality --i know they are out there but not in here or necessarily making 'news'.  My post was meant to be a 'friendly wave' to future women who might feel a bit isolated by not having certain treatments.

    i appreciate your response

    best wishes

  • I think I get what you are saying. A diagnosis of BC sends us into panic mode. We want it gone and we want the doctors to give us some sort of guarantee that the treatment they recommend for us will stop it coming back, ever! When a doctor tells us that chemo will not make very much difference to our chance of recurrence we want absolutes. They cannot give us this because the statistics say there is a small chance that it might. Eg for every 100 people with the same stage/pathology of cancer, chemo might prevent a recurrence for 1 or 2. The dilemma begins. Those people search for some sort of answer as to what they should do. They are surrounded by information/media that promotes stories of women with BC all having chemo to 'beat' this disease. It is very hard to feel confident in making a calculated rational decision rather than an emotional one based on fear of recurrence. You would like to see a more balanced rational approach to promoting the fact that for people with very early breast cancer, chemo does more harm than good. I think there are a number of breast cancer associated issues that suffer from the same emotional and unbalanced promotion. We tend to hear about the horror stories of people getting BC more than once and we think this happens more often than it actually does. I wonder about the increasing number of women undergoing double mastectomies out of fear of getting BC in the other breast. In some cases the chance of this may actually be very low. But we are influenced by the stories we hear. Debate over treatment issues is needed to enable women to make informed treatment choices. You are right we do not need to create a war with emotional responses but need to consider the realities in respectful ways. Deanne
  • Look even non chemo-girls need lovin' too.  I was reflecting on my experience as a non chemo girl and what added to my anxiety was this webiste and most of the BCNA media releases are quite chemo focused-i looked at a article posted by bcna about 4 women with breast cancer- featured in a sydney newspapter --mascetomies, double mascetomies and chemo all round--no put down --if it  is medically advised or even personal preference--best wishes but out of four women profiled --how about one with lumpectomy and radiation treatment?  this network-bcna is in its words- a peak national organisation to provide best information,, inform, represent and empower...and yet here i am with a common cancer 'picture' with what is best practice- 'standard' treatment and online or with its media releases you would think that 'i' or people like me would have a larger profile..or any profile...i mean ...im not starting a chemo vs non chemo -'war' -if i had a different cancer or differnt breast ca i would be at the front of the chemo line (with a sedative on board) but i posted my results and treatment with a view of  a woman who maybe going online in the future and my story might be one of the few she reads that reflects on of her choices given.  I value choice -but these online forums and handbook--whilst useful --can influence treatment options and choice. I started doubting my own and thinking i was on a fringe path with people sitting under 'golden pyramids'  -- so much so that when i posted i knew that it would not make it as a 'featured post'.  Experts are in the medical field and amongst us here with our experience. The support for women having chemo and mascetomies is clearly here for that --would like the same support for women who have a similiar kind of courage --but different story to tell... 

    BCNA recently acknowledged that not all women will successful 'fight' cancer; i liked how it recently profiled a woman with secondaries, from my  perspective i wish that a range of women's experiences were 'represented' both here and in their media. 

     

  • So well written Deanne and you've put it exactly as I was thinking...x