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positive3negati
9 years agoMember
Vaginal atrophy. Why didn't someone warn me?
There’s a long list of things nobody warns you about when you go through cancer treatment. It is fairly well known that chemotherapy, radiation therapy and significant surgery all carry risks and side effects but when your life hangs in the balance most people will agree to anything. I did.
My biggest shocks were the residual peripheral neuropathy, the brain fog, the extent to which losing my nipples impacted my intimacy, and the way chemotherapy slams you into menopause. Think ten hot sweats a night that are so bad I needed to keep towels under me and change them.
The neuropathy has been accommodated. It’s just like having mild pins and needles in your hands and feet and as long as I keep warm it’s not too painful. The brain fog has taken some work, but I have recovered my pre-cancer brain. The hot sweats have subsided to one or two a night and they are much less sever. I have grieved the loss of my nipples. Acceptance is the only help there.
My last visit to the GP included a regular pap smear. ‘You have evidence of vaginal atrophy’ he told me in that voice that sounds like he’s reporting the weather. Cloudy with a chance of incontinence and infection. I’d never heard of it before. It’s apparently a common side effect of menopause and like all other treatment related symptoms, it has arrived with a vengeance.
I hit the internet (of course) and discovered that vaginal atrophy can make intercourse difficult and painful, urinary incontinence more likely and can also increase the incidence of thrush and urinary tract infection. Oh joy! I also noticed something that wasn’t anywhere on the internet. It’s really difficult to find a toilet paper that doesn’t suddenly shed and leave a residue. This product is obviously designed for a self-lubricating vagina and nobody has thought to let manufacturers know about post-menopausal difficulties with their products.
The usual treatment for vaginal atrophy is apparently some kind of hormonal cream or hormone replacement therapy, but having had breast cancer (even the non-hormonal kind) my doctor wasn’t keen. He recommended a non-hormonal vaginal lubricant available from the chemist. It’s inserted using a plastic tube every three or so days. It costs about three dollars per tube. Unfortunately it doesn’t reverse vaginal atrophy. It just makes things a bit more comfortable. It is also sticky and might all come out at once when you least expect it. It’s better than nothing but not ideal.
One site I found recommended sex or masturbation on a daily basis. Ah the bitter irony that menopause chews up libido and spits out sexual activity as a treatment for side effects. My previously healthy interest in orgasms has been reduced to an occasional distraction. My husband and I are still loving and affectionate but like so many others in our position, intimacy has become more important than intercourse.
Meanwhile, my ability to urinate has become complicated. Clearly good vaginal lubrication was part of the whole process working properly and I now find myself trying to figure out how to keep the flow heading downwards and not across my thighs. I know this is odd and perhaps distasteful stuff to write about but that is exactly why I’m going there. It’s good to know you’re not alone.
Recently I was looking for a good gynaecologist (for someone else) and came across an article about laser therapy for vaginal atrophy. The same technology that is used to improve your wrinkles can be used to improve the tone and thickness of the vaginal walls. After months of enduring the slow collapse of my vaginal tone I headed back to my GP to ask him about it. “Oh yes, apparently it’s quite effective,” he tells me, as I resist the urge to growl at him for not giving me information about this treatment six months ago. Does he just assume I don’t plan on using my vagina anymore?
The treatment is marketed in Australia as Mona Lisa Touch Therapy. I’m amused to think that it’s supposed to give me an enigmatic smile as well as a return to vaginal health. It will involve an initial visit with a gynaecologist to determine if I am ‘suitable’ for the treatment at a cost (after rebate) of around $170. If I’m approved as suitable, each laser treatment will cost (after rebate) around $260. I should see some improvement after the first treatment but for the optimal result three treatments are recommended. I haven’t checked, but I’m guessing my health fund will not pick up the slack. I still think it’s worth having. I’m booked in for my initial visit next Monday.
I’ll keep you posted on the results.
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- MovinOnMemberI greatly appreciate the comments from everyone. I am not at risk of suicide, unless I start taking that horrible drug again.
The issues I have are that none of my physicians warned me that the side effects would be so brutal.
I've read that they only give this drug to men for 2.5 years as they don't like the side effects. - AfraserMemberIn the final analysis, whatever we do should be our own considered choice. Someone else’s choice may be instructive, useful to know or completely irrelevant. We throw in our tuppenceworth here in the interests of helping to explore all options or providing some reassurance. That’s all. Best wishes for the future and make it bright.
- MovinOnMemberI have had intensive therapy - DBT for more than two years and it changed my life. I finally started living the life I should have had.
The breast cancer diagnosis wasn't a big deal, the surgery (both of them) wasn't a big deal, the recovery from the surgery wasn't a big deal. My partner was supportive.
Tamoxifen - for ten days - had a greater effect on me than all of the rest of it.
FFS - I know what my clitoris and labia looked and felt like. After ten days on Tamoxifen they disappeared. I wasn't suicidal until the tamoxifen. I did not have PMS, hot flushes, night sweats, insomnia and the rest of those symptoms until the Tamoxifen.
I want a better life than what Tamoxifen will let me have. - @Movingon I've just caught up on all your comments and I am SO sorry to read that you're having such an awful time of it. It sounds like you have a lot more going on that the horrible side effects and that you are in a very dark place. I don't know if this will help (but I hope so): One of the most difficult things about being in a dark place is believing in the light. People will suggest all kinds of things but your mind responds with "what's the point!" and keeps sending you messages like "give up!" and "you're useless!" and "you deserve this!" and when people try to tell you otherwise this internal bully over-rides them.Please know that this pattern started as your mind trying to keep you safe. You are not broken and it doesn't matter whether or not the stories your mind is telling you are true. What matters is, are they USEFUL? Do they help you to live a life aligned with your values, or do they keep pushing you further into that dark place? It IS possible to make friends with your mind and to learn how to overcome internal bullying. If you can find a psychologist trained in Acceptance Commitment Therapy I highly recommend it.If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are lots of resources out there, including a book I wrote for people dealing with fear of recurrence, anxiety and depression following cancer treatment. It's called "Free From Fear - Living Well After Cancer" and you can get it cheaply for Kindle on Amazon. I also keep the paper copies cheap so that everyone can afford them and any small profit I make gets donated. Here's the link:
https://www.amazon.com.au/Free-Fear-Living-after-cancer/dp/1521249377/ref=sr_1_1?crid=G867VF83FJ5X&keywords=free+from+fear+living+well+after+cancer&qid=1703196938&s=books&sprefix=free+from+fear+living+well+after+cance%2Cstripbooks%2C232&sr=1-1My very best wishes for your future recovery. Please remember that our lives have ebbs and flows and that even when times are very dark we can be sure that light will come again, but sometimes we need to look up, and climb out.With loveMeg - arpieMemberI have an e-copy of Oestrogen Matters ..... if anyone would like to read it, please message me
I've had shocking tinnitus for decades :( It is a SHOCKER - MovinOnMemberThis is really interesting and I'm going to show the book, and this link to both my onco and GP.
https://www.balance-menopause.com/menopause-library/039-oestrogen-matters-dr-avrum-bluming-dr-louise-newson/ - mum2jjMemberHang in there, so good you can get professional help. I hope your therapist can help. It really is a risk v’s benefit. I hope there can be some alternative for you. Please if you feel like you were contact the help line or lifeline. Please don’t try t bear it on your own.Big hugs.Paula xxx
- MovinOnMemberI told my oncologist I was wary of taking this medication. She thought I wasn't going to take it at all, and prescribed me the 10 mg dose. I tried, I can't have all of those SE's and be anywhere near normal. I'm seeing my therapist next week. I can't get to see my GP for another month, and my onco appointment is also a month away.
Bruising - it's bad, blood spots from the smallest bump, and huge blood bruises if I get a harder hit. I had a persistent lump in my throat making it hard to swallow. My tinnitus is screaming at me now (not the annoying background that I used to ignore).
I'm on antidepressants, yet last week I was almost suicidal. It's subsided since I stopped taking the tamoxifen. - Blossom1961Member@positive3negative I found an Australian site. Thank you.
- Blossom1961Member@positive3negative I looked at that product but cannot find the $Aus cost of either the products or the programme. Can you please share that info?