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Does this ever end?
I'm 2 years down the track, after mastectomy, chemo, radiation, and reconstruction, all during covid, via support-less \"click and collect medicine\", and now 2 years on Zoladex/AI's so far (1102 more of those suckers to take if I can hack it, not that I'm counting). No one told me the depth that the side effects could be, and I have felt guilty for feeling depressed and anxious most of the time. Sleep is awful, hot flushes are now down to 8 -10 per day from a high of 50 or so, but are doing my head in as they now seem to be coming with a panicky sensation. My brain doesn't work properly, my hands hurt and life just keeps getting more complex. I'm the care giver of the family, and my husband was diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer on the 2nd anniversary of my last dose of chemo. He's coping, I'm falling apart. I feel sick when I think of the journey he is starting, and I'm not a good support for him as I'm feeling so stressed and triggered by it all. Work is using up a lot of resources as I'm short staffed and I can't cut back.
I have no idea what to do. I'm really reluctant to take meds for this. I've tried clonidine before, and while it stopped my heart racing as I was trying to go to sleep, it made me too dopey during the day to keep using it, especially since it didn't help the hot flushes. I'm pretty sure I'll have the same issues on anything else, and I can't afford to be dopey with everything that's going on. I'm seriously considering stopping the AI's. But i feel guilty for thinking about that too. And I suspect that if I do stop them, I'll not be comfortable with that decision either.
Catch 22.
Sorry, but I needed to vent. Writing it down makes you stop and think a bit, and maybe that's helpful.....
Anyone have a spare magic wand??","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2024-02-28T20:16:29.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:244480_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":341},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"So, sorry about this, but I have to have a verbal vomit. And I did have a laugh to myself when I heard the message on the BCNA answering machine..... but now it's tears.
Does this ever end?
I'm 2 years down the track, after mastectomy, chemo, radiation, and reconstruction, all during covid, via support-less \"click and collect medicine\", and now 2 years on Zoladex/AI's so far (1102 more of those suckers to take if I can hack it, not that I'm counting). No one told me the depth that the side effects could be, and I have felt guilty for feeling depressed and anxious most of the time. Sleep is awful, hot flushes are now down to 8 -10 per day from a high of 50 or so, but are doing my head in as they now seem to be coming with a panicky sensation. My brain doesn't work properly, my hands hurt and life just keeps getting more complex. I'm the care giver of the family, and my husband was diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer on the 2nd anniversary of my last dose of chemo. He's coping, I'm falling apart. I feel sick when I think of the journey he is starting, and I'm not a good support for him as I'm feeling so stressed and triggered by it all. Work is using up a lot of resources as I'm short staffed and I can't cut back.
I have no idea what to do. I'm really reluctant to take meds for this. I've tried clonidine before, and while it stopped my heart racing as I was trying to go to sleep, it made me too dopey during the day to keep using it, especially since it didn't help the hot flushes. I'm pretty sure I'll have the same issues on anything else, and I can't afford to be dopey with everything that's going on. I'm seriously considering stopping the AI's. But i feel guilty for thinking about that too. And I suspect that if I do stop them, I'll not be comfortable with that decision either.
Catch 22.
Sorry, but I needed to vent. Writing it down makes you stop and think a bit, and maybe that's helpful.....
Anyone have a spare magic wand??"},"Conversation:conversation:244480":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:244480","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:244480"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2024-03-05T01:28:14.000-08:00","lastPostTime":"2024-03-05T01:28:14.000-08:00","unreadReplyCount":11,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:244480":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:244480","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:244480_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:244480_1","lastEditTime":"2024-02-28T20:16:29.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:244482":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:244482","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:244480"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:20667"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":244482,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:living-with-and-beyond-breast-cancer"},"subject":"Re: Finally brave enough to call BCNA helpline, and they are closed ...","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:244482"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:244480"},"body":"I am so sorry to read of your journey so far @FionaM and also sorry the helpline wasn't available to you when you rang xx That was a bummer, as it takes guts to call the Helpline x. - I am sure they'll be able to give you wonderful support. Please ring back tomorrow, between 9am & 4pm (so you beat the 'cut off' for the weekend.) 1800 500 258 - or you can arrange a 'call back'. https://www.bcna.org.au/helpline/#:~:text=Contact%20the%20Helpline,to%20get%20a%20call%20back.
Whereabouts are you? (You can add your 'general area' to your profile) as we may well have members nearby who may be happy to meet up for a coffee & a chat xx. Also other members may be able to point you to specific medical professionals who may be able to help you with your meds etc. There are meds available to cut down the hot flushes etc ..... @Blossom1961 maybe able to help here!
Having your partner diagnosed with Cancer is a double whammy, too - sadly, I lost my husband nearly 2 years ago to a nasty cancer, so I know how tricky it can be - and it really can muck with your brain too. xx. That is Great that he is going OK. Do you 'share' your Onc with him? We did - so it made it much easier just dealing with the one Onc for both of us xx
Please talk to your Onc about your side effects - I swapped AIs 3 times - the 3rd one being 'the one for me' with less side effects!
In one of your earlier posts, I mentioned that I am on 'the good oil' - ie Medicinal Cannabis Oil & it has definitely taken the edge off most of my side effects to the meds. It is totally legal to take in various 'strengths', so feel free to ask your Onc about it - and if they are not able to help you with a script - there are plenty of online clinics that can help (some do tele-health appointments bulk billed ...)
As @Afraser says - be kind to yourself. Try not to take on EVERYONE else's battles ..... Look after yourself first, then you'll be able to look after your hubby & family too xx. Contact http://www.otisfoundation.org.au too - to see if they may be able to give you, your husband and family on a 'holiday' within your state xx. I had one with my husband and brother & SIL at Thredbo & it was a wonderful break.
take care, keep in touch xx","body@stringLength":"2573","rawBody":"I am so sorry to read of your journey so far @FionaM and also sorry the helpline wasn't available to you when you rang xx That was a bummer, as it takes guts to call the Helpline x. - I am sure they'll be able to give you wonderful support. Please ring back tomorrow, between 9am & 4pm (so you beat the 'cut off' for the weekend.) 1800 500 258 - or you can arrange a 'call back'. https://www.bcna.org.au/helpline/#:~:text=Contact%20the%20Helpline,to%20get%20a%20call%20back.
Whereabouts are you? (You can add your 'general area' to your profile) as we may well have members nearby who may be happy to meet up for a coffee & a chat xx. Also other members may be able to point you to specific medical professionals who may be able to help you with your meds etc. There are meds available to cut down the hot flushes etc ..... @Blossom1961 maybe able to help here!
Having your partner diagnosed with Cancer is a double whammy, too - sadly, I lost my husband nearly 2 years ago to a nasty cancer, so I know how tricky it can be - and it really can muck with your brain too. xx. That is Great that he is going OK. Do you 'share' your Onc with him? We did - so it made it much easier just dealing with the one Onc for both of us xx
Please talk to your Onc about your side effects - I swapped AIs 3 times - the 3rd one being 'the one for me' with less side effects!
In one of your earlier posts, I mentioned that I am on 'the good oil' - ie Medicinal Cannabis Oil & it has definitely taken the edge off most of my side effects to the meds. It is totally legal to take in various 'strengths', so feel free to ask your Onc about it - and if they are not able to help you with a script - there are plenty of online clinics that can help (some do tele-health appointments bulk billed ...)
As @Afraser says - be kind to yourself. Try not to take on EVERYONE else's battles ..... Look after yourself first, then you'll be able to look after your hubby & family too xx. Contact http://www.otisfoundation.org.au too - to see if they may be able to give you, your husband and family on a 'holiday' within your state xx. I had one with my husband and brother & SIL at Thredbo & it was a wonderful break.
take care, keep in touch 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