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JessicaV
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12 years ago

re-reading my path report

I am trying to make sense of the bit at the start of the report that says:                                        Macroscopic:

1)left sentinel node biopsy: Fatty tissue with one lymph node 20x12mm (FSA FSBimprint and frozen, IC imprint only, fat in reserve jb/bb)

2)Left axilla sentinel node: fatty tissue 40x40. No lymph node found. (this specimen received 1st, surgeon informed. Sent further tissue-specimen 1)

It seems to say that the surgeon first chopped out a lump of fatty tissue that he thought was a node but turned out not to be, so then had to have another go at finding the sentinel node, and got a real one on the second go. I wonder how this happens?

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  • Hi thanks for sharing your own experience. Knovving that makes sense of the whole event

  • Hi thanks for sharing your own experience. Knovving that makes sense of the whole event

  • Try not to panic Jess. This is what I understand.  Because these lymph nodes are so tiny in our bodies and do not follow a particular pattern finding the sentinal is easyer in some than other patients. If they can get that one apparently it is best, then they look for ones around it (in fatty tissue) and check the nodes for cancer traces ( at the lab). No 1 is not as dangerous cancer No 2 is dicy No3 is more serious. As the nodes clean the blood, if there is a trace of cancer in them they will take more breast, hence second opp. Chemo gets the blood cleared and Radio Therapy makes sure that the cancer is not left around the wound. These guys do have a hard time finding these things. I can't wait till they come up with an injection to combat the cancer without surgery, they are working on it. In the meantime we are in their hands. Ask everyone you can at the hospital Surgeon, Oncologist what it all means. At least these days like me there are many survivors. All the best Chrisy

  • Try not to panic Jess. This is what I understand.  Because these lymph nodes are so tiny in our bodies and do not follow a particular pattern finding the sentinal is easyer in some than other patients. If they can get that one apparently it is best, then they look for ones around it (in fatty tissue) and check the nodes for cancer traces ( at the lab). No 1 is not as dangerous cancer No 2 is dicy No3 is more serious. As the nodes clean the blood, if there is a trace of cancer in them they will take more breast, hence second opp. Chemo gets the blood cleared and Radio Therapy makes sure that the cancer is not left around the wound. These guys do have a hard time finding these things. I can't wait till they come up with an injection to combat the cancer without surgery, they are working on it. In the meantime we are in their hands. Ask everyone you can at the hospital Surgeon, Oncologist what it all means. At least these days like me there are many survivors. All the best Chrisy

  • Try not to panic Jess. This is what I understand.  Because these lymph nodes are so tiny in our bodies and do not follow a particular pattern finding the sentinal is easyer in some than other patients. If they can get that one apparently it is best, then they look for ones around it (in fatty tissue) and check the nodes for cancer traces ( at the lab). No 1 is not as dangerous cancer No 2 is dicy No3 is more serious. As the nodes clean the blood, if there is a trace of cancer in them they will take more breast, hence second opp. Chemo gets the blood cleared and Radio Therapy makes sure that the cancer is not left around the wound. These guys do have a hard time finding these things. I can't wait till they come up with an injection to combat the cancer without surgery, they are working on it. In the meantime we are in their hands. Ask everyone you can at the hospital Surgeon, Oncologist what it all means. At least these days like me there are many survivors. All the best Chrisy

  • This is possibly the worst part,when you have had surgery,and waiting for the treatment plan.Believe it or not,once my chemo started,I actually felt a whole lot better.Its so scary isn't it,and you want so much to be well informed.In the end,after sitting on the edge of my bed,reading and re reading my report,again and again,as if I was hoping to see something that wasn't there before,and googling and comparing,and googling and comparing,I went to my doctor and asked .Too easy!We are our own worst enemies sometimes! Take care Jessica.xoxoRobyn.
  • Hi Robyn, when I arrived in my surgeon's room, he opened the report and told me this was the first time he was seeing the report too, so was going through it as he read it. to me. He read me the conclusiions, ie margins clear, sentinel node neg for malignancy, Grade is grade 3. HER2 status uncertain so further ISH test to be done. So no radiotherapy, Chemo yes but exactly what sort will be decided by results of ISH test  etc.He passed a copy to me, but it all looked like gobblydegook. And my head was foggy,  I was a bit dopey from a raised temp from  the infection, and was trying to make sense of the fact that the rurses had told me wrong about managing the infection/seroma by sending me home on Tuesday without giving antibiotic, and by telling me on Wednesday not to woryy but to wait till I saw the surgeon. I did not know whether to blame myself for not pushing harder to get the infection propertly treated (they just took out the drain and sent me home), or whether the nursing staff had mismanaged it.  I was also  taking in that it was a Grade 3 tumor was sobering and worrying.

     I needed to deal with 4 items in the one appointment:  the seroma and infection, the path report and treatment plan, the forms for my insurance company, and one other thing all at the same time. And I all the time I have this massive swollen seroma with  400mls needing draining and an infection in it.  I needed to make sense of whether I should be moving more, either shoulder exercises, or general aerobic like walking, and whether it was damaging the other tissue to let it get too big, and what the relaitionship between the infection and the seroma was.

    So it was only days later when I looked at the Path report in detail that I saw things like the 0.2mm clearance under the High nuclear grade DSIS (can that possibly be a sure and certain negative margin???)  and that there was a 40mm x 40mm chunk removed from my armpit that was sent off as my sentinel node but turned out to be fat not  node. So another chunk 12 x 2m which was a sentinel node (but does not say it was from my axilla) was removed, biopsied and found to be fine. Two shots to get one node? This could be a mistake in the marking of samples at theatre, or the reading of samples in the lab, I did also have a fatty cyst removed from my other collarbone which turned out to be 6Ox45x35,much bigger than expected. There could be  any number of other possiblibities, It may have a perfectly logical explanation. But I kind of need answers..

    I know my surgeon is very experienced. He, and oncologist Arlene Chan and fellow surgeon Diane run the Breast Cancer Research Certre of Australia, so are up to date with current research etc. He does a number of these operations each week,. He is also very nice and fairly easy to talk to usually. He is currently on holiday, and I don't see him again till the 6th Feb. I could ask my GP first: she is quite open and helpful, but also very upfront. So I think I will ring her on Tuesday and see if I can talk to her about these concerns first, and later with the surgeon himself. So thanks, this has helped a lot.

  • Of course I don't really know how this happens,but I was told that you need to make sure that your sentinel node biopsy is done by a surgeon very experienced in this procedure.I don't know if this helps.Pathology reports are so hard to read,and you could google hundreds of them,and no two are alike.If you took it to your GP he/she could explain it clearly to you .Hope you are feeling OK Jessica.Cheers Robyn.xox