Soy products and aramatose inhibitors

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primek
primek Member Posts: 5,392
I was wondering if there is any research about issues with soy products with aramatose inhibitors?  I know the cancer council recommend moderation for women on tamoxifen but are there issues with femera? I have a soy cappacino most days as seemed to have developed an issue with milk since chemo. Few places sell almond milk options but most have soy.

Any info greatly appreciated.

Kath 

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  • Deanne
    Deanne Member Posts: 2,163
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    Hi Kath,
    I asked my oncologist about this when I first started on Femara. Her view was that anything in moderation is ok. A single soy cappacino sounds like moderation to me! 
    Deanne xxx
  • Glemmis
    Glemmis Member Posts: 343
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    The Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital has an app on herbs you can download & there is some information there on soy & tamoxifen but not aramotose inhibitors. But it is also said soy is a contraindication for hormone receptor cancers.
  • Afraser
    Afraser Member Posts: 4,388
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    My understanding was that it was best to stay away from soy (I am on Femara too) but, as with all things, that depends on the quantity/regularity.  There's been research on cow's milk too, which isn't entirely heartening but low fat seems the way to go there, and any impact may also depend on whether you are eating a lot of cheese, yoghurt, ice cream etc as well as drinking milk on a daily basis, or just having a small amount of one. Problem with so much research is the degree to which something is a significant or insignificant factor. A chat with your oncologist will settle any concerns. 
  • Pauline_BCNA
    Pauline_BCNA Member Posts: 14
    edited March 2017
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    Hi there,
    I'm on the policy team here at BCNA. Thanks for raising this question about dietary soy and aromatase inhibitors.

    At present it is still not clear if eating a diet high
    in phyto-oestrogens (soy products) is safe for women who have, or have had, breast cancer. For women with oestrogen receptor positive breast cancer who are
    taking an aromatase inhibitor such as anastrozole, it is still unclear whether eating soy foods or taking
    soy supplements will block or enhance the actions of the aromatase inhibitors. Results
    of scientific studies are contradictory, with some studies showing that dietary soy can interfere with the actions of aromatase inhibitors and other studies showing that soy can possibly enhance aromatase inhibitors, such as anastrozole.

    As Cancer Council NSW advises, moderate consumption of soy
    foods, as part of an overall healthy eating plan, is unlikely to have
    any harmful effects. In the US, the positions of the American Cancer Society and the American Institute for
    Cancer Research
    are similar: that soyfoods can be safely consumed in moderation by women with breast cancer. It is best however to avoid high doses of soy products, such as soy supplement tablets or powders. 

    You can also read more about Cancer Council Australia's response to soy and breast cancer on their iheard site, here.
    Note they do not mention aromatase inhibitors, only tamoxifen. I am currently following up with them on any
    evidence surrounding aromatase inhibitors and soy. I will keep you all posted.

    If you have any questions or concerns about soy food consumption and your breast cancer treatments, it is always best to speak with your oncologist.

    I hope this is helpful!

    Best wishes
    Pauline McLoughlin


  • Afraser
    Afraser Member Posts: 4,388
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    Many thanks Pauline
  • Unicornkisses
    Unicornkisses Member Posts: 402
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    So glad you brought that up. I was wondering how soy affects women with ER+Ve cancers.
    I am lactose intolerant and drink quite a bit of soy milk, yogurt and other products.
    I had planned to take that up with my Oncologist next visit.
    Have switched to Lactose free for the time being.
  • Karenhappyquilter
    Karenhappyquilter Member Posts: 242
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    I am a vegetarian and often eat tofu (which is made from soy) and have a small amount of soy milk at breakfast time every day.  I wasn't aware of this concern with eating it when taking tamoxifen before so this is helpful.  A moderate amount in a diet is ok they say, but how much is that I wonder?  Gosh diet is difficult sometimes.  Karen 
  • primek
    primek Member Posts: 5,392
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    Thanks Pauline. Will await feedback.
  • Pauline_BCNA
    Pauline_BCNA Member Posts: 14
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    Update:
    Cancer Council Australia does not have further info on this issue - other than what I have stated above.
    I hope this information has been helpful.
  • melclarity
    melclarity Member Posts: 3,524
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    Hey Kath! Gee thats a tough one, I heard to most likely not have Soy, I actually drink Almond Milk and am happy with that. The thing is when I did my Rehab Course at Epworth Freemasons, I had an ARRAY of Professionals who were apart of it, Social Worker, Psychologist, Occupational Therapist, Physiotherapist and Dietician. We had like mini lectures and the MOST interesting one was on Diet/Nutrition and Cancer. They were very clear about that all studies are MINORITY Studies in terms of foods and therefore have no bearing on BC. This did stun me a little but then explained why there is always something coming up we cannot eat LOL...all minority. She said the key factor is a healthy balanced diet and moderation. She also talked about Sugar and that purely was about obesity and how that leads to other problems. Very eye opening. I also believe too everything in moderation and the thing is there are NO groups of women that fit any categories at all..this is why we are such a mix of age, race, gender, backgrounds, diets and fitness. It doesnt discriminate period. :) Hugs Melinda xo
  • Cate64
    Cate64 Member Posts: 446
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    @primek my oncologist told me to steer clear of all plant based estrogen / phytoestrogen .... so I swapped immediately from soy to almond milk & then go a skinny milk if almond is not available as I would rather live with the side effect of an upset belly from having regular milk than the alternative. Cate  
  • Harlee
    Harlee Member Posts: 106
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    Last year I participated in The Women's Wellness After Cancer Program www.wwacp.com.au and it quoted 2 studies from the American Institute for Cancer Research which indicated that eating moderate amounts of soy food (1 or 2 servings daily) is safe for breast cancer survivors. WWACP actually encouraged participants to increase their soy intake and recommended 2 serves per day as this would supposedly lead to increased health benefits eg reduced menopausal symptoms and a lower incidence of cardiovascular disease. 
    A serve was listed as 1 cup of soy milk, 2 slices of soy and linseed bread, 35g of soy breakfast cereal, 100g of tofu or 5g of linseeds. The benefit is only from consuming food sources not from supplements taken as powders or pills. 

    I felt uncomfortable with this as my oncologist had said that I didn't need to avoid soy but recommended limiting myself to 1 serve per day. I chose to follow his advice. 

    I have copied the links to the studies quoted - hopefully they work.

    http:/www.aicr.org/cancer-research-update/2012/november_21_2012/cru-soy-safe.html
    http:/www.aicr.org/foods-that-fight-cancer/soy.html#research
  • primek
    primek Member Posts: 5,392
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    Thankyou
  • Cate64
    Cate64 Member Posts: 446
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    Gee it gets confusing all these studies when they contradict what you hear, see, read elsewhere. I was told I needed to avoid them because my cancer was ER+ & so plant based estrogens/phytoestrogens were out.. 
  • primek
    primek Member Posts: 5,392
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    Yes...latest tesearch of 6,000 women now says otherwise. Check out last Fridays update.